#200 Phelan vs. tomukaze

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Moyo-ing it up. If he tries the same, I can reduce his from lower middle hoshi stone.
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Looking forward to the 3-3 points in the future.
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Looks like an attempt to prevent a moyo from happening on the right.
It can be easily separated from the rest of the white stones, however, so I don't know what he has in mind. I feel like I'm getting ahead by chasing him.
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Ok, his move annoyed me at first, because it seemed so good, and I had not seen it.
I mean, If you just cut, you have a ladder that works for him:
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And you don't even get much out of it.

If you try to solidify your group, he gets a wall towards an open space, and yours looks towards his enclosure, so he gets off much better:
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I only realized later than what was needed was to keep it simple. If someone attaches to your lone stone, extend:
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This almost settles my group, and if he doesn't play at 'a' or similar in the future, I can peep him to ruin his shape, or just prepare things for a cut.

There was another extension possible, but I don't think it's as good:
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'a' or 'b' next only seem to help with eyes on one side, leaving the other open for attack.
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Phelan wrote:If you try to solidify your group, he gets a wall towards an open space, and yours looks towards his enclosure, so he gets off much better:
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Why not push and cut, as so?

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I expect :w18: below, or something similar. I thought of peeping first, by playing at :w18: now, but I don't like a White play at 'a'.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


While previewing, I just noticed another(probably better) possibility for White:
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[go]$$Bcm11 What I expect
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 8 . |
$$ | . . X , 1 . . . . , . . . . 2 6 X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:b19: feels necessary, I don't think I can peep immediately at :w20: ,but I'll read that later.
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Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze

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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . X , 1 . . . . , . . . . 2 6 X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Nice shape no!?
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Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze

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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . X , 1 . . . . , . . . . 2 6 X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Like I said in the previous post, the alternative line felt better for white.
This lets me go on the attack.
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Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze

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Hmm ... I don't like :b19: ... there must be bigger plays on the board right now, right? The top is a nice open space. I think I'd play there.
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Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze

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Marcus wrote:Hmm ... I don't like :b19: ... there must be bigger plays on the board right now, right? The top is a nice open space. I think I'd play there.


I agree. Once white has decent looking shape there, white's not very attackable, and a 2nd line move so early feels tiny. I was looking a little bit at putting pressure on white's looser lower right, which is in the process of being surrounded. Perhaps by pushing against the centre white group as a leaning attack?
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Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze

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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . X , 1 . . . . , . . . . 2 6 X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move looks annoying, as in I wouldn't like this move played against me so why not play it myself! :P
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Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze

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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I wasn't expecting this one. I was expecting him to try to attack me with the above white group, while getting eyespace for his stones.
I'm just solidifying my group to avoid this:
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 3 |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 b . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

'a' or 'b' would give part of the group up, letting him be safe. So I need to protect.
This seems the better way
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Re: #200 Phelan vs. tomukaze

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For Beginners:
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[go]$$Wm Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . O W X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X a . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Since if Black's group gets cut off his shape aims at making an eye at a later, White should aim at placing a stone at :w1: . This is an attacking tesuji called the "eye-stealing tesuji". The relation with the marked White stone is what makes it work. Now no matter how hard Black tries, he cannot make an eye at a without first capturing :w1: . Incidentally, this makes :w1: a critically important stone that must be saved once played.

At this point, however, Black can probably capture :w1: if it is played, but White's play at b practically makes Black strengthen himself, losing the chance to play :w1: later.

It's worth noting that Black should play at :w1: before White, if he gets the chance.
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