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@Bill Spight
I saw the ko variation (I posted it earlier), but isn't the problem that I'd have to win it 3 times? That said, the second variation looks interesting.

As for my next move, I am contemplating to start some complications via something like this:
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$$ . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
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Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

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@drmwc:
Thanks! I remember the kosumi being better but couldn't recall why XD


The idea of tenuki on top right makes me feel like The Intrepid is overthinking this again. Surely there's nothing more urgent.
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Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

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It is true that the ko is a two step ko. But it is still big, and it is a picnic ko for White. :)

Oops! Edited Black to White. ;)
Last edited by Bill Spight on Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

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$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | O X X X O X . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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All right, let's stir the pot. I aim to cut at e17 as well as to apply pressure against Black stone on L16.
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$$ | . . . . a X X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , B . . . O X . . . |
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Bill Spight wrote:It is true that the ko is a two step ko. But it is still big, and it is a picnic ko for Black. :)

My lack of understanding shows here, I suppose, for fighting the ko seemed unnecessarily risky.
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Divide and conquer and all that jazz ...

This indirectly defends against a cut at the top too due to the thingy tesuji:

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$$ | O X X X O X . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . O , X . . . O X 2 . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 3 X . . . |
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$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X O X . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
topazg defended against the cut. Let's see if I can make something happen against the L16 stone.
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$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . O , X . . . O X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . 5 1 4 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 3 X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X O X . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll take the points quite happily here I think.
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Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

Post by The Intrepid »

Sorry, I'd like to play this instead. :)

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$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . O , X . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
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$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X O X . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Connecting is not the only option. I could also play as in the game or extend solidly. The advantage of playing the way I did is that I am ahead in the race along the right side. This may give me an option of attacking the Black stone near the bottom-right corner.
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Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

Post by skydyr »

The Intrepid wrote:Sorry, I'd like to play this instead. :)

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . O , X . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X O X . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Connecting is not the only option. I could also play as in the game or extend solidly. The advantage of playing the way I did is that I am ahead in the race along the right side. This may give me an option of attacking the Black stone near the bottom-right corner.

This seems like it completely abandons the idea and option of attacking L16 after the presumably unsurprising reply of P15. White does get to attack Q6 instead, but that stone is high and the right side seems to be devalued after all the low plays there. I do not understand.
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[go]$$Wcm44 :b00: :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . O , X . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . 2 C X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X O X . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


?? That really surprises me. I'm not going to complain, White's feeling a tad thin ..
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[go]$$Wcm46 :w1: :b0:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . O , X . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . 1 X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X O X . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Pros played like this before, so it cannot be completely terrible, right? :D
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[go]$$Wcm46 Prisoners: :w1: :b100:
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$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . O , X . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . 1 X 2 X . . |
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$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X O X . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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OK. The moment of truth. I'll take some time to consider my next move, but "a" and "b" seem like natural follow-ups.
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$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . a b . . . O X . . . |
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$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X O X . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Also, I should try to make some sort of a score estimate. I'm confident that I was ahead in the opening. Later, I probably let topazg off the hook. Who's leading now?--I have no idea. But, better safe than sorry--right?--so how about I try to kill something really big? :D
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Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

Post by Bill Spight »

You gotta love the top right corner. :o
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