#201 drmwc vs lovelove

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Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

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[go]$$cm169 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . 3 X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . 2 1 O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

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[go]$$cm169 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . 4 X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

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[go]$$cm169 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

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[go]$$cm169 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | 6 X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

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[go]$$cm169 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 . O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

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[go]$$cm169 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O 8 O . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

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[go]$$cm169 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




As planned. A W connection at S15 mya be the best move, since it's bit; it tries to make eyes in the corner; and it helps to protect against B J17 followed by B F 18.

If this happens, I plan to take the big point at g2. By my reading, I lead by between 2.5 and 6.5 points dependent on the precise yose after this.

There are some timing issues around for me. If atari at C10 is my sente (and it very nearly is at this stage), it's very useful in activating the peep at F18.
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Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

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[go]$$cm171 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X 8 O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

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[go]$$cm171 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . 9 X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

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[go]$$cm171 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O 0 |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

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[go]$$cm181 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O O |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X 1 |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Curious. I expected a solid connection in this corner for W, which leaves a hane at 181 for later. The move played appears to be a 2 point loss. W could conceivably tenuki my move, but if I capture the two stones I have gained points compared to W doing nothing an letting me capture 1 stone.
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[go]$$cm181 Prisoners: Black 3 White 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O O |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . 2 X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

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[go]$$cm181 Prisoners: Black 3 White 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O 4 . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O 3 5 |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O O |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll write up my thoughts this evening. (I had a long write up prepared, but I got logged off and it was lost.)

Am I following the correct convention for showing prisoners? B has captured 6; W has captured 3 - the notation above may be inverted.
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[go]$$cm181 Prisoners: Black 3 White 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O O . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
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Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

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@drmwc:

Why not this ?

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