39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

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Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . 1 X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Post by daniel_the_smith »

I still think Kirby is going to win this one. But I am beginning to wonder if perhaps Magicwand doesn't try very hard on KGS if he is only 3d there...
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Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Post by Kirby »

Sure, that's OK.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . B . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I need to make my group safe. I thought of a few alternatives, such as the connections at "a" and "b":
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But while I may be able to bring my group to immediate safety, I am being too passive, and he can still attack my center group easily.

With the move I played, I keep him sealed in more, while simultaneously helping my groups. I think that it is the way to go.
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Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Post by Solomon »

Don't really like the last few moves that Kirby made, I think this way is better:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . 2 X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . 4 X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This way, White is still not alive and Black gets the corner while sealing White in. Simple, yet clearly more effective than the route Black chose. The extension of P16 he made becomes instantly low in value after W gets R18.
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Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

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Did somebody add ranks to this thread? I really hate associating myself with a rank, but I guess I don't care in this case...
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Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

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Kirby wrote:Did somebody add ranks to this thread? I really hate associating myself with a rank, but I guess I don't care in this case...

Yeah, it was done by suggestion in order for observers to get an idea of which games to watch, which makes sense. You could easily edit out your rank with (?d/k) if you don't like what I put for yours :P.
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Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

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Araban wrote:
Kirby wrote:Did somebody add ranks to this thread? I really hate associating myself with a rank, but I guess I don't care in this case...

Yeah, it was done by suggestion in order for observers to get an idea of which games to watch; you could easily edit out your rank with (?d/k) if you don't like what I put for yours :P.


Well, I don't like putting anything at all to be honest - you can see my weaknesses and strengths by observing the games, but I don't care that much.
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Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X W . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i dont like what i am going to play....it's not my style..
but i think i need to do something to catchup.
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Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think that it's time to connect this group now. Playing with the contact stone he just made gives him many forcing moves, and could make my group here potentially dangerous. I don't seal him in this way, but I can still escape with my center group.
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Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . B . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The stone isn't that important. I need to jump out and continue to strengthen my group. Later on, I can save the stone, and he'll have a cutting point at "a" that may or may not be relevant, since he can play at "b":
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O a b . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B X O . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

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Kirby wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . B . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can hear people saying that this is a bad move already...
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I don't think this is a bad move. :)
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Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

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unkx80 wrote:
Kirby wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . B . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can hear people saying that this is a bad move already...


For Kirby:

I don't think this is a bad move. :)


Cool! From your earlier comment (about losing a stone), by the way, I can kind of see that P4 was bad now. I thought it was cool at the time, but it has put my center group through a lot of trouble now that I think about it.
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Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Post by unkx80 »

Kirby wrote:
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I think that it's time to connect this group now. Playing with the contact stone he just made gives him many forcing moves, and could make my group here potentially dangerous. I don't seal him in this way, but I can still escape with my center group.


Kirby is just ensuring the safety of his stones and show no fighting spirit at all. No wonder he is so easy to bully.
Anyway, I think it is possible to block white's attachment.
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