38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #66 - Prisoners: B=0, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . B X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X O , . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Spilling gasoline feels good.

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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #66 - Prisoners: B=0, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X W . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X O , . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 38. Laman vs Magicwand

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Sorry for being very late here.

Laman wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move 10 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . B O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think the block here is in the wrong direction. It should have been at a.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 6 . . . . . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This sequence of moves trades the corner for a wall. However, black ends up in gote and white gets the ideal :w6:. This move reduces the effectiveness of the wall significantly. Note that :wc: is very light and can be easily be given away.
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #68 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . B . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

for simplicity, i have exchanged the prisoners (0,0 instead of 1,1)
come on, my stones are safe... playing like this is usually annoying but not really dangerous for the group (if you respond carefully and properly). i guess white wants only some moves around F6 in sente to reduce my left more effectively after
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #69 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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Magicwand:
Why low, instead of high? Do you hope to live inside, or break out?
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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Chew Terr wrote:Magicwand:
Why low, instead of high? Do you hope to live inside, or break out?

finally question directed to me :)
i do not have any weak group so his influence doesnt scare me and it is not that hard to make a life in there.
i have enough points to match his points and i am thicker. i believe i am ahead.
if he gives second variation instead of life on the side...i think that is good enough.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #69 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . 4 2 3 . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #69 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . 7 3 2 4 . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . 5 O 1 . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


if i go high...i dont see anything intresting.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #69 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . 5 1 O . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . 7 4 6 . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #70 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . B X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i am satisfied with simply forcing white into the center because it allowed me to solidify my upper left side.
alternative (i have profit, but white center influence grows):
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[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 6 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 3 2 7 . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 4 1 X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . B . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

possible continuation (instead of 2 i consider also directly a, eating his stone and giving up the corner):
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[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . B X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . 3 . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . 2 . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . 4 1 . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Spilling gasoline feels good.

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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #71 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . W . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
as i stated before..one stone is light..
i will take the corner and also get aji from that one stone.
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Re: 38. Laman vs Magicwand

Post by Bill Spight »

Dusk Eagle wrote:Bill:
Wouldn't L5 be breaking sector lines though? That seems to add merit to the move.


I think that the game has advanced enough to send this in the clear. :)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . 2 X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Yes, :b1: breaks sector lines, but White is secure on the right, and has a number of good options on the left. After the diagonal attachment, Black has no eye on the bottom side.
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #72 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

grr, again i missed one important variation... i thought i would go for this:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Black's plan
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . 5 O 1 . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . 4 6 2 . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

but then i have found this sequence:
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[go]$$Bcm1 White's -possible- plan
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O 1 . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . 6 . 4 5 . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 7 . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

and i dont feel like playing the ko, especially with my groups on the right, just strong enough to be alive
further i can aim at connecting my K3 group to the left, making potencial to the center (and capturing or attacking W C8)
Spilling gasoline feels good.

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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #73 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O W . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #74 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O B . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I went through other moves with same purpose, and this seems to be the most simple and secure.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1: other ideas
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . a . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . b c . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . d e . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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To Laman:

Regarding your hidden commentary:

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[go]$$Bcm1 White's -possible- plan
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O 1 . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . 6 4 5 . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What makes you think that W6 cannot connect?
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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unkx80 wrote:To Laman:

Regarding your hidden commentary:

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[go]$$Bcm1 White's -possible- plan
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O 1 . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . 6 4 5 . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What makes you think that W6 cannot connect?

unkx80:
err, nothing. sequence youve shown was clearly better for white, my point was that even my, worse variation wasnt preferable for black, so i left that branch and didnt examine it thoroughly. my alfa-beta prunning sometimes makes me miss something important :). luckily this wasnt the case
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