Dusk Eagle
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by Dusk Eagle Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:35 pm
Extending three spaces is perfectly viable and is something you can see quite often in the orthodox fuseki:
$$Wcm1 One of many possible sequences
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 One of many possible sequencesBy my understanding,
and
are no longer the most popular moves from their respective positions, but a few years ago you would see quite often and both moves are still good ways to play. Also, note that
is one space closer to
than the corresponding white stone is to black's wedge in this Malkovich game, so that only makes the three-space extension even more viable.
This isn't a criticism of the two-space extension played in the actual game, just a comment that I think the three space extension is good as well.
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by Amelia Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:07 am
$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
As previously said a double approach on that stone would just be too painful for me. Now it has a bit of support
I expect him to answer by extending from his shimari.
Then I'm going back to the upper right corner. I expect to lose sente there and he'll probably take the last big point on the board and play an approach move on the upper left corner.
I think that leaves us about even.
Everything has been very peaceful up to now. I'm looking forward to the middle game.
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by Spine Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:54 am
$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
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by Uberdude Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:07 am
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by Dusk Eagle Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:14 am
Uberdude wrote: @DuskEagle/Phelan
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by Uberdude Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:48 am
Dusk Eagle wrote: The amount that a two-space extension is slack here probably doesn't matter all that much in a 15k game. I know I couldn't have handled someone splitting my three-space extension when I was 15k, so from that context the two-space extension makes sense.
Indeed, it's a good simple move. I don't think the slackness really matters until mid- to high-dan level.
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by Amelia Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:07 pm
$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
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by Spine Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:37 pm
$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
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by Amelia Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:45 pm
$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
Earlier I missed the following:
$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0This would defend black's corner, and leave me with an open skirt. And any defending move on my part looks small and inefficient (and gote). I wonder if Spine will play it. The hane is not half as good because then I can defend in sente.
Or will he go for this?
$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0Or this:
$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0I haven't made up my mind about my next objectives. I'll wait and see what he does first.
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by Spine Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:58 pm
$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0I tried to read it out. I don't think the cutting point at x will hurt me yet. Although maybe my extension from the stone under the star point is a bit far. I thought I f she did try to cut maybe I would make life at the 3-3 point.
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by Phelan Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:15 pm
Spine wrote: $$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0How about this
? Too far? The other one doesn't seem to put much pressure on white.
$$Bcm11 Better?
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by Uberdude Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:28 pm
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by Phelan Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:44 pm
Not that I'm aware of.
And even if it would explain some sleepless nights, I think I'd likely be more than 6k by now if I had his help.
Thanks for the link, seems pretty interesting. Did the approach fall out of fashion, or does theory today think there's something better?
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by Amelia Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:04 pm
Sorry for the delay. I've had trouble focusing lately.
$$Bcm11 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
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by Spine Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:15 pm
$$Bcm21 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21 Cap- B: 0 W: 0
**We're living in a world that's make believe, they made; we believed.** Please note: My KGS handle is different from my L19 username.
and 
are no longer the most popular moves from their respective positions, but a few years ago you would see quite often and both moves are still good ways to play. Also, note that 
? Too far? The other one doesn't seem to put much pressure on white.
And even if it would explain some sleepless nights, I think I'd likely be more than 6k by now if I had his help. 