#197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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One of us clearly does not understand what is going on here. It could be that both of us do not. :lol:
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Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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Magicwand wrote:
because it is wrong move. "jachoong"
it might be sente but it fills my liberty and restrict my freedom.
it also might not be sente.
@MW or anyone else that knows the answer (except for Joaz... Sorry, buddy.):
I know you think it is the wrong move - I was asking why. But I suppose your explanation followed.

If I were in the same situation, I'd specifically be afraid of black playing here:
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[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X B O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Because if I compare the diagram above with this:
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[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X W O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It feels like white is more connected and in better shape in the second diagram.

But you said it was 자충수... So I guess this means that though I feel that this move is helpful, the move is harmful for white maybe after a move like this:
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[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O B . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X X X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Which is presumably worse than this:
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[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O O B . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Do I understand you correctly?
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Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Inspired by Inkwolf's cartoon, I'm going to try to strike a balance between aggression and safety. My last 10 or so moves in the lower left have been a bit reckless. I'm going to indulge in safety for a move.

This is a multi-purpose move. It grabs some territory, and solidifies my left side position. It allows me to either maintain my invasion into his top side or have a serious attack on his left side group.

One possible line - if he decides to save his left side group:
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[go]$$Wcm1 One option
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 5 O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O 4 X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 2 3 X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O 6 . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X a . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 7 8 . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . B . b . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
'A' and 'b' are miai. And both of his groups would be weak. Allowing me to split them would be lethal. So he would have to defend and I would go into yose with sente.

The other option is to cut off my invading stones up top. Then I think that I kill his left side group.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Another option
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , 1 X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . B O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . B X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O B B . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . B O B B . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
He is surrounded by enemies. And it would be my move. :rambo:
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Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Inspired by Inkwolf's cartoon, I'm going to try to strike a balance between aggression and safety. My last 10 or so moves in the lower left have been a bit reckless. I'm going to indulge in safety for a move.

This is a multi-purpose move. It grabs some territory, and solidifies my left side position. It allows me to either maintain my invasion into his top side or have a serious attack on his left side group.

One possible line - if he decides to save his left side group:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 One option
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 5 O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O 4 X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 2 3 X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O 6 . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X a . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 7 8 . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . B . b . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
'A' and 'b' are miai. And both of his groups would be weak. Allowing me to split them would be lethal. So he would have to defend and I would go into yose with sente.

The other option is to cut off my invading stones up top. Then I think that I kill his left side group.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Another option
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , 1 X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . B O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . B X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O B B . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . B O B B . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
He is surrounded by enemies. And it would be my move. :rambo:
I don't think Joaz's move is sente. MW can just protect his weak group on the left, because MW can deviate from Joaz's given diagram (though it's questionable as to whether MW will play :w1:, too):
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[go]$$Wcm1 One option
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 2 . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O 3 . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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F13
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . W . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Kirby:
yes. i was afraid of the cut. either way he has cut but if i dont have that exchange i have a choice of abandoning the group if needed. plus i was reading what would happen after i "hogu" my weakness which will give me "talruk". so my option will increase.
after he try to attack my group...i still tenuki taking more points.
my group is still not dead breathing aji even after he plays one more move.
even if i kill my whole group i think i still win with sente playing at bottom middle endgame..
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@MW:
Thanks, that's a good explanation. I don't know what "talruk" is, but the gist of what you are saying makes sense.
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Kirby wrote:@MW:
Thanks, that's a good explanation. I don't know what "talruk" is, but the gist of what you are saying makes sense.
"talruk" means flexablilty or bounce back. ex: spring has talruk.
in baduk it means it is not easily killed in one or two move.

edit:
or better yet: Resiliency
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Kirby:
sorry for not haveing any diag before...
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[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X X X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X B . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
if you compare two diag above..you can see that atari dont really help but hurt you.

also. having a and b trade as my sente my group is more likely to secure life.
i think everyone has some intuition that white group is very hard to kill cleanly.
i compare this with Ing's cup game 4. Fan kept taking points and daring opponent to kill his group. but it wasnt easy to kill whole group. once Fan reached the point that he knows that he won...made it clean and simple. i think that is what will happen in this game soon.
i already have advantage and need to finish clean.
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[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O W . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X B . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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MW:
Great explanations, both with the diagrams and about talruk. I guess it is probably 탄력.

Anyway, the diagrams illustrate that white is in better shape by not playing the atari. If I look at just this diagram:
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[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X B . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
it is clear that I prefer if white did not make the atari earlier, as you illustrated.

It is not so clear to me when I use the diagram from earlier:
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[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O c . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X B O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
In this case, black could select not to initiate the first diagram of this post. So that's a little confusing to me.

But the point about resiliency and additional flexibility is very clear. Even if black plays as in the last diagram I posted, it still seems more flexible than a white atari in the area (even if it is sente for white).
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Is this black's best followup?
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 2 . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . B . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . 1 O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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I'm flattered - and a bit worried - by all the viewer commments. At worst, I imagine observers shaking their virtual heads, saying 'how could Joaz miss THAT?'. At best, I imagine people who have been beaten by MW stocking up on popcorn, rooting for me.

I've got a busy day scheduled tomorrow, and then it will take a while to figure out my next move ( I regard it as no exaggeration to say that the game could easily be won or lost on the next move. ) So enjoy your kibbitzing; I'll probably post on Sunday.
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Magicwand wrote:even if i kill my whole group i think i still win with sente playing at bottom middle endgame..
Jedo wrote:
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[go]$$Wm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 2 . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . B . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . 1 O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$W Prisoners: :w2:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O 9 |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 7 |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . 0 8 |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 1 2 . 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 3 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wm11 Prisoners: :w2:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O O O O . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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