#185 EdLee vs. The Intrepid: The Swords

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Re: #185 EdLee vs. The Intrepid: The Swords

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A Notice of Delay

EdLee, I'll be travelling during the next two weeks, and it's unlikely I'll have time to make moves during that time. Hence, should you fancy taking 14 days to think over your next move, let nothing stop you from doing so. :)
EdLee still has not made any post, including a "first feeling" post which EdLee tends to do (as do I). This suggests that he did not expect my move and that it is not apparent to him what to play in response. Excellent! That said, I am not yet sure how I would respond here as White, either, so I certainly don't blame him.

Since the beginning of the game, I've made several pronouncements regarding how "the game is about to get very complicated," without any such complications ever arising. Not so this time.
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Thanks, and have a nice trip! :)
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Re: #185 EdLee vs. The Intrepid: The Swords

Post by drmwc »

Interesting position!
B's move feels like a bit of an overplay. I don't know the best reply for W. However, using The Intepid's vaiation:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ | . . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . . 7 6 . . . . .
$$ | . . X 5 2 3 . . . .
$$ | . . . 8 1 4 X . O .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X
$$ | . . . O O . . . . ,
$$ | . . X X . . . . X .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]


7 is and improvement over the line The Intrepid gave. After 8, W has two choices.


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[go]$$Wc
$$ | . . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . . O X . . . . .
$$ | . . X O X O . . . .
$$ | . . 1 X O X X . O .
$$ | . . 3 2 6 . . . . .
$$ | . 8 4 5 . . . . . X
$$ | . 9 7 O O . . . . ,
$$ | . . X X . . . . X .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]


This may be playable for W - the corner looks like to drop off for B, although B gains on the outside.


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[go]$$Wc
$$ | . . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . . O X . . . . .
$$ | . . X O X O . . . .
$$ | . . . X O X X . O .
$$ | . . . 2 1 . . . . .
$$ | . . . . 3 . . . . X
$$ | . . . O O . . . . ,
$$ | . . X X . . . . X .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]


W may be able to handle this fight, which is on a bigger scale than the previous idea. (IF may be possible to find moves for 3 which are better shape than my suggestion as well.
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Re: #185 EdLee vs. The Intrepid: The Swords

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[go]$$Wm56
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


:w56: strikes me as a bit heavy.

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[go]$$Wm56
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . X X . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


How about Kajiwara's move? :)
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Hmm... many variations to read...
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[go]$$Bm57
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . a a 1 . O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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The Intrepid, sorry, I'm slow. :)
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Re: #185 EdLee vs. The Intrepid: The Swords

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No problem. take your time. :) I returned a week ago but I'm still taking a vacation from the vacation, if you know what I mean. It was pretty intense out there. I swam with wild sea lions, for example. Inquisitive, but also extremely devious creatures! There was this one female sea lion in particular, who kept looking at me under water with her big black eyes, begging me to keep following her. Yet, as I did, she kept drawing me more and more into deep waters, big waves, and strong sea currents. It's a good thing I realized what was happening in time, else getting back to shore might have proven to be an ordeal. An insidious beast! ... or maybe she was just trying to teach me a lesson about how to play Go. ;)
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Wow! Where was it? Any photos or videos? Of that female sea lion, or others? :)
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Re: #185 EdLee vs. The Intrepid: The Swords

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Bill Spight wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wm56
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


:w56: strikes me as a bit heavy.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wm56
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . X X . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


How about Kajiwara's move? :)

i like this
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[go]$$Wm56
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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EdLee wrote:Wow! Where was it? Any photos or videos? Of that female sea lion, or others? :)

It was in New Zealand. Here, sea lions are incorrectly called "fur seals" but there is an easy way to tell if a creature is a seal or a sea lion. Approach one on land, whack it on the nose, and see if it gives chase. If it does, then it's a sea lion. If it doesn't, then it's a seal. In New Zealand, it would definitely give chanse--and then a hell of a bite to boot. :)

I don't have pictures from that swim, but the picture below should give you a glimpse into how it feels to swim with sea lions.
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That's amazing! :)
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wm58
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 X . O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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The extra time didn't help -- too busy (tired) IRL :blackeye:
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Sounds like a great holiday!Were you scuba diving?
My avatar is a whale shark I was lucky enough to see on a dive last year. Apparently it was a juvenile and so it was "small". A truly amazing fish.
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drmwc, is that you at the nose of the whale shark? :shock: :bow:
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