Beating a 7d pro with 9 stones ?

[Bantari]

Something pros do in teaching games, and indeed amateurs too, is if the opponent is playing good style, proper moves they won't play anywhere near 100% and will allow themselves to be beaten as a reward; whereas if the opponent is playing bad moves or overplays then they will concentrate more and fight harder to win to punish the naughty opponent.

In other words, if you play good moves, you win. If you play bad moves, you lose. Even against pros.
Very original. I must remember this strategy.

Bantari, that's not what Uberdude was saying and it's not fair.
What Uberdude said was if a student plays good moves, and the pro knows she can win if she plays
full strength despite the student's good moves, she can choose to pull back
(or, in some other cases, purposely leave weaknesses to see if the student can exploit them, etc.)
to let the student win in a teaching game.

Man, there is always a spoilsport getting in a way of a good quip...
I know, I know...

So let me rephrase:
If you play good, he plays bad. And vice versa. Happy?

[jts]

Man, there is always a spoilsport getting in a way of a good quip...
I know, I know...

So let me rephrase:
If you play good, he plays bad. And vice versa. Happy?

Still not a good quip. The less clever your quip is, the more emoticons you need to broadcast to your audience that it is meant as playful self-deprecation, not as a contribution to the discussion.

[otenki]

I think indeed I should have phrased my question differently, I meant "In a teaching game".

Thanks for the replies guys allthough I'm still not sure.

You know what, I'll try it out and see how it goes

Cheers,
Otenki

[Uberdude]

In a teaching simul, sure a 5k can win on 9 stones. Go for it! Remember don't be defensive and think if you get all 4 corners you will win. Keep his stones separated and yours connected so he's always under pressure of attack.

[golem7]

I also support Uberdudes estimate.

The only evidence I personally have is a simultaneous game against a 9p at the EGC last year where I managed a jigo on 6 stones (I'm about 1d egf). A win would also have been possible as I lost a big part of one corner due to a reading mistake in early endgame. I played two more simul games against other pros on 3 and 5 stones where I went for the kill, unsuccessfully though pro magic is incredible...

Based on these experiences I believe I could play on par with top professionals at an 8 or 9 stone handicap in a serious 1-on-1 non-blitz game. Maybe 7 stones with a "weak" professional, if there is such a thing
Additionally substract up to 2 stones in case of teaching games or one of my occasional 2d moods.

[tapir]

I think indeed I should have phrased my question differently, I meant "In a teaching game".

High handicap games and simultaneous games are always teaching games - at least when played by professional players.