I wondered about this way to defend, but I didn't count if it is better/worse than yours:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . B . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . B . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O W . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O W . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown" Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
I wondered about this way to defend, but I didn't count if it is better/worse than yours:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . B . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . B . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It was one of the moves that I looked at. Unfortunately, he can play this sequence:
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X 6 4 5 X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X 3 X 9 X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . 1 2 X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . B 7 X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X 6 4 5 X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X 3 X 9 X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . 1 2 X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . B 7 X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . B X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . B X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Yes, it looks thin, but it is worth one more point in some lines. ( Half a point in others, I think ) And the game is so close, that may make a difference.
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . B X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . B X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Yes, it looks thin, but it is worth one more point in some lines. ( Half a point in others, I think ) And the game is so close, that may make a difference.
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X d X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . c a X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X X . b X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . B X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X d X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . c a X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X X . b X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . B X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Tewari analysis: I need to play 'a' or 'b' or 'c' or something similar to prevent the obvious double atari. But, because I have to eventually be able to play 'a' if he plays 'd', playing 'b' or 'c' is redundant.
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X W | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X W | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i think i will win close to 5 points some point of intrest
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . d X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . c , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X W | $$ | . X b O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . a O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . d X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . c , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X W | $$ | . X b O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . a O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown" Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X O | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . B O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X O | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . B O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This move is larger than it looks. E4 used to be double gote. Now it is my sente, and still gote for him. When I play it, H4 has lots of aji, and will take at least one more internal gote move for him to kill it. By my count, this is larger than the damage that my group will suffer on the right - which I would have to defend in gote.
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X O | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . W . . . . . . . O . X X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X O | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . W . . . . . . . O . X X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown" Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
I didn't count it accurately, but b2 feels bigger to me than t8; maybe MW was too hopeful a weaker player would believe his t8 was sente?
b2 also has some follow-ups not normally present in that yose shape, if white gets b7 then black can't block at a or else b cuts.
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . 4 X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X 2 | $$ | . X 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | a . b X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | 5 X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . 1 O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . 4 X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X 2 | $$ | . X 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | a . b X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | 5 X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . 1 O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Joaz Banbeck wrote:This move is larger than it looks.
It appears that MW agrees with me. But then, why did he not take B2 himself and let me have T8?
Joaz Banbeck wrote: E4 used to be double gote. Now it is my sente, and still gote for him. When I play it, H4 has lots of aji, and will take at least one more internal gote move for him to kill it.
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X O | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X 1 O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O 3 4 . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . X O 8 . 5 6 . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . 9 . O 7 . . . . . . O . X X O O . 2 | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X O | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X 1 O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O 3 4 . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . X O 8 . 5 6 . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . 9 . O 7 . . . . . . O . X X O O . 2 | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
..or:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X O | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X 1 O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O 3 4 8 0 O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . X O . 6 5 7 9 . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . O . a . . . . . O . X X O O . 2 | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X O | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X 1 O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O 3 4 8 0 O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . X O . 6 5 7 9 . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . O . a . . . . . O . X X O O . 2 | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
MW, of course, will not let either of these two happy scenarios occur. But the point is that B2 was bigger than it looked because of possibilies like this. And in the meantime, it is a nice source of ko threats.
Now, what is bigger?
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . C X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . C O O . . . , . . . X . , X C . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . C X O | $$ | . X C O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . X X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 8 black: 5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . C X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . C O O . . . , . . . X . , X C . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . C X O | $$ | . X C O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . O O X X . . X O O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . X X O O . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Did you expect black to answer your t8? Seems to me b2 was bigger, particularly if you let him have it in sente.
i am not convinced that b2 is bigger than t8. i counted that i lose that point and i win my at least 5 points. there is no question that i will win this game...t8 is bigger than it looks.
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown" Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
After substantial analysis in the past few days, I have come to the conclusion that, if I play my endgame perfectly, and MW merely plays safely and competently, I still lose by two points.
But then, why did he not take B2 himself and let me have T8? 
