27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

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Re: 27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

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[go]$$Wcm166 Move 166 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . 1 O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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He can't cut because of a ladder, and even if he could I'd only risk sacrificing a stone at most. Eliminating any possibilities of eyeshape seems the sensible thing to do here. Now he has 0 eyes for the group.
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Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

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I see no need to hide this one.

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[go]$$Wcm162 Move 162 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . 1 . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Better, no?
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Re: 27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

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[go]$$Bcm167 Move 167 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . 1 . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Making shape again.
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Re: 27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

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You can't make good shape with dead stones.
That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
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Re: 27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

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[go]$$Wcm168 Move 168 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X 1 |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Ok, enough's enough. They're dead. I've already stolen the key shape point for that stone, so it's not getting him eyes. I may be letting him get a gote eye by tenuki-ing, but that's not going to be enough. Let's enjoy some sente.


Fundamental Principles

This is sente, so it is better than the commonly played (in error) gote clamp:

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[go]$$Wcm168 Move 168 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O 7 |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X 3 |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X 2 1 5 |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . 4 6 |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There are times when the clamp is sente too, in which case it is superior. This isn't one of them.
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Re: 27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

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daniel_the_smith wrote:
You can't make good shape with dead stones.


That's a bit harsh. :)
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Re: 27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

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[go]$$Bcm169 Move 169 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . 1 . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
See my old post here for why I think white is wasting an opportunity for a few more points here.

Some less-than-orthodox continuations follow. The orthodox local continuation has him creeping one more time along the first line, then connecting to his outside group in sente.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X 5 1 3 |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . 2 4 |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . 6 . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . 7 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X 7 . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . 6 . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O 5 |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . 1 2 |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . 4 3 |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


continuing from the last diagram:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X X . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . O 3 |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O X |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X 1 |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X 2 |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . O X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

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[go]$$Wcm170 Move 170 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . 5 |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O 3 |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X 1 |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . 2 |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If 173 is a solid connection, still play that 174.

Strategy and Thoughts

Remember that nursing out a marginal advantage article? I have a feeling this is what it was talking about. If you know you are ahead, design around a strategy that minimises your opponent's ability to claw back that advantage. I want to creep further ahead, not play for a kill. I was tempted to play straight at S3 here, but what's the point? If it isn't a dead certain kill, it's a dead certain loss of a few points, and possibly sente as well. Here, it's a guaranteed small gain in sente - when I'm ahead, that's precisely what I want to be getting.
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Re: 27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

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[go]$$Bcm175 Move 175-177 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . 3 1 |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . O |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . 2 |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
At first I thought white made a mistake. See "Monkey Shop Workshop" by Richard Hunter. Page 102 problem 8. Remarkably similar situation. In the problem, the full monkey jump is too aggressive and loses two points. But in this case I think it's proper since the correct sequence (below) ends in gote for white here, but sente in the problem I mentioned.

It's possible there's an even better solution, but it's probably way above my skill level :)


Tactics and Variations
This is the "correct" continuation from the book. But because I don't have to defend 'a', the inferior solution is probably better.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X a 4 |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . 2 3 |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . 5 |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . 1 |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


"Inferior" solution:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . 4 2 |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . 1 |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . 3 |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And just for completeness, my own gut reaction. Although looking at it some more I'm not at all convinced that it's not wishful reading, and it's only one point better (not that I should be loose with points at this stage, but the risk/reward ratio feels off).

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . . 6 |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X 4 1 |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X 3 2 |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . 5 |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

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[go]$$Wcm178 Moves 178-180 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O 3 X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X 2 O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . 1 X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . X X |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . O |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . O |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Tidying up, then will count after move 184. I think I'm around 20 points ahead now.


Tactics and Variations

I rejected the following variation:

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[go]$$Wcm178 Moves 178-180 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . a . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O 5 X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X 1 O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , 3 2 X 4 O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . b O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . c . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . X X |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . O |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . O |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Even though this gives me a couple more points and the endgame at "a", the cut at "b" and the hane at "c" are bad aji that may affect any further fighting with his middle group if he tries to save it again. I don't need those couple of points, so I'd rather remove any aji risks instead.
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Re: 27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

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topazg, would you like to play a game against me, when this one is finished?
I'm around 3k on KGS now, so proper handicap would be 3 stones, but I'd prefer to play with reverse komi like in this game or just me playing black with no komi, because that feels more like a normal game.
Handicap isn't important as long as I can learn from you :)
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Re: 27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

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[go]$$Bcm179 Moves 179 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . X X |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . O |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . O |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
Taking the opportunity to steal sente again. The top there is worth a lot of points (I'm terrible at counting, but my guess is like ~8 points). But it's gote and if I follow white around the board I've as good as lost.


Tactics and Variations
My hope here is something like this (loose reading, I'll come back to it and see if there's something better after white responds).

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . 9 . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . 8 2 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . 7 O O 3 6 O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X 4 O X , . X X |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . O |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . O |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

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Zwergesel wrote:topazg, would you like to play a game against me, when this one is finished?
I'm around 3k on KGS now, so proper handicap would be 3 stones, but I'd prefer to play with reverse komi like in this game or just me playing black with no komi, because that feels more like a normal game.
Handicap isn't important as long as I can learn from you :)


That sounds good. I really want to play a completely even game with completely open comments next - so observers and players can all read everything. Is that likely to be ok ?
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Re: 27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

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[go]$$Bcm180 Moves 180 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . X X |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . O |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . O |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Fun stuff, this is better from Black. So, complicated though this is, I rejected contacting on the right side because it doesn't seem to work. However, this is still insidiously complicated. It's a really good reduction by Black. I won't go into the variations here, but I'm expecting that Black stone to live, and me to secure the middle and kill his middle group for good. That's enough for me :)
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Re: 27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

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B lost game now :< He played two moves in a row!
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