#193 TIM82 vs EdLee

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:50 am

Wondering if

ponnuki is sente...

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:57 pm

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TIM82 · Post by **TIM82** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:50 am

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EdLee, I don't want to rush, but could we perhaps aim for something like a move or two each week unless life interrupts too badly? The current pace with over week between moves makes it somehow harder to concentrate for me. If that's too fast, we can continue as it is. Sorry, could not know this beforehand as this is my first Malkovich game

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:10 pm

Hi Tim, yes, sorry for the delay. Life did interrupt over here -- I'm in the middle of a huge multi-month
project that started even before October last year, and there's still maybe 2 or 3 months to go.
But I'll try to play faster! Thanks!

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:31 pm

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:32 pm

TIM82 · Post by **TIM82** » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:47 pm

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Ed: thanks for understanding, and don't worry about it too much, if you are busy with real life, then of course a game can wait.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:39 pm

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TIM82 · Post by **TIM82** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:13 am

I think I'm weakest at endgame, where we are now. Would really appreciate some feedback from here onwards from stonger players to read after the game. However, I think Ed's last move is not good:

1) a,b,c,d below would be likely sente points for black (this is what I expected)
2) My right side potential is smaller than my potential at bottom. D and F are similar moves, but D for Ed or E for me is better than F. F would be good if it threatened my eyespace on the side, but I do not see that.

I'm inclined to play E now, considering also G and whether I should try to turn marked area into points somehow. Around H is also nice, but seems smaller than the marked area at least, so not first priority.

Hope the diagram is not too cluttered

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TIM82 · Post by **TIM82** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:04 pm

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Ok, this seems bigger than B, and I'll keep the cut at A reserve in case black attacks my left side - don't see a way to turn that cut into good points right now.

If black tenukis my 86, below continuations seems good.

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:40 am

I woke up this morning...drip, drip, drip... raining today.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:44 am

Yea,

is not small. I had thought about the same place,
but wasn't sure if it would end up gote for B:

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Obviously, Tim thought

(=

) is gote. Let's see...

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TIM82 · Post by **TIM82** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:04 am

EdLee wrote:I woke up this morning...drip, drip, drip... raining today.

Hoping the weather improves there. I've had a wonderful Easter holiday - peace, good company and very good food, sunny spring days...

Got an xbox kinetic for holidays too - first console I have ever owned, hopefully it won't destroy all my free time in the future

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:20 am

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:22 am

Finally fixed (a), which has been sitting there since the corner joseki;
it's probably not that big, but it's there.

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