Racism on KGS

[manastin]

Hi..
Just a few minutes ago I am banned by a probably racist admin of KGS.
I will not say much here, just check my logs, I said nothing, just having some little fun like ALL WESTERN USERS DO, but our admin probably checked where I came from (TURKEY) and banned me. Oh, the ban notice was this: ignoring admin warning..he wrote me 5 seconds ago about something like that "take my warning serious" and banned me after 5 seconds.
I insist to check WMS or other KGS owners the logs, I am sure he or she banned me because of my origins. He or she is probably one of the americans dude who can not distinguish between Chechens and Czech people...
seriously..get a grip.

one admin was GFPSPENDER or smth like that.

KGS was a much better place before..those admins were probably 13-14 years old that time.

[manastin]

I want this admin here to talk with me face to face..And he should convince me that he would ban another user because of the same reason, even this is a user from a western country.
I am soooo bloody hundert percent sure that he did find the strength to ban just because of my origin.
Seriously, dont imagine all people from "east" as terrorists...

[cdybeijing]

Hi manastin,

I have absolutely no idea what happened in your case and I haven't reviewed your logs, but I am virtually certain you were not banned because you use a Turkish client.

That's not to say your banning was justified, I just think you are extrapolating to an extreme conclusion.

[manastin]

Of course..you are always right..You are rational westerners and we are stupit irrational eastern people..
Anyway.. I am absolutely sure that the admin had in mind something like this: " OMG another primitive eastern or muslim, we have to punish them"..
Anyway, have fun in your little box. But you have think yourselves that where is this all going on.

[jts]

I hate to burst your bubble, but America is not exactly seething with resentment against the Turkish menace. Mexicans maybe, possibly the French, but Turkey makes us think of happy things, like belly dancing and Jupiter missiles. Sorry! I know it hurts to be overlooked by xenophobes.

[Joaz Banbeck]

Sorry, but we Americans are too ignorant of geography to discriminate with such precision. We have to see millions of you, up close, in our country, before we are even aware that you exist. Even then our first reaction is to consider you to be exotic.
Turks are not even on the radar of American bigotry.

EDIT: There are exceptions. Nobody here ever considered Canadians to be exotic.

[tchan001]

I have no idea what happened in your case but usually when a KGS admin has issued a warning to people in the room to stop certain behavior such as behavior interpreted by participants as "having some little fun like ALL WESTERN USERS DO", then it means people should stop "having some little fun". If it continues, often times the admin will instantly ban anyone who ignores the previous warning EVEN if that participant had just logged on and didn't know about the previous warning. It had happened to me before when I popped into the English chat room and mistakenly chatted jokingly after a warning had been issued prior to my entrance. But that was a while ago.

[Kirby]

It's possible that there was something racist that happened - I've experienced unfair banning in the past. Still, it's difficult to make much of the complaint here, because only the KGS admins are able to tell what really happened, and nobody can really verify what really happened even if one of them spoke up.

So... I'm sorry you had a bad experience.

[Boidhre]

Sorry, but we Americans are too ignorant of geography to discriminate with such precision. We have to see millions of you, up close, in our country, before we are even aware that you exist. Even then our first reaction is to consider you to be exotic.
Turks are not even on the radar of American bigotry.

EDIT: There are exceptions. Nobody here ever considered Canadians to be exotic.

I hate to burst your bubble, but America is not exactly seething with resentment against the Turkish menace. Mexicans maybe, possibly the French, but Turkey makes us think of happy things, like belly dancing and Jupiter missiles. Sorry! I know it hurts to be overlooked by xenophobes.

It amuses me that you two *appear* to think Westerners = Americans.

[Nyanjilla]

I am sorry you had such an experience, but this is not the place to discuss such matters. If you feel you have been booted unfairly from KGS, please write to the admin box ( admin@gokgs.com ) with full details such as your username so we can check further. We take allegations of racism very seriously.

[daal]

Hi..
Just a few minutes ago I am banned by a probably racist admin of KGS.
I will not say much here, just check my logs, I said nothing, just having some little fun like ALL WESTERN USERS DO, but our admin probably checked where I came from (TURKEY) and banned me. ...

Merhaba! I know how to write this, because I have a list on my profile of how to say "hi" and "thanks" in the languages of the people I most often play. There are plenty of Turkish players on KGS, and they don't all get banned for being Turkish. Maybe it was an honest misunderstanding about something you said.

Calling someone racist is a serious accusation, that can damage their reputation. You do so without telling anything whatsoever about what was said. All that you say is that he "probably" checked where you come from. You are jumping to conclusions, and asking others to jump with you. This is irresponsible. It would be better to try to clear up the misunderstanding.

[Joaz Banbeck]

...
It amuses me that you two *appear* to think Westerners = Americans.

That's not fair! We know the difference. Non-American Westerners are the ones who know the difference between Chechens and Czechs.

[Boidhre]

...
It amuses me that you two *appear* to think Westerners = Americans.

That's not fair! We know the difference. Non-American Westerners are the ones who know the difference between Chechens and Czechs.

So, so many responses that violate multiple rules on here...

[jts]

He or she is probably one of the americans dude who can not distinguish between Chechens and Czech people...

This is what I was responding to. I was considering naming a few names with respect to which countries do hate Turks, but I decided that was uncalled for.

Btw, I am so using "I was just having some little fun!"

[Boidhre]

He or she is probably one of the americans dude who can not distinguish between Chechens and Czech people...

This is what I was responding to. I was considering naming a few names with respect to which countries do hate Turks, but I decided that was uncalled for.

I was only poking some fun, the *'s around appear were meant to indicate that. I agree, listing said countries isn't great but I doubt it'd come as any surprise to a Turk and their reaction hopefully would be the same as most Irish people's reaction to anti-Irish sentiment in some elements of the UK. A rolling of the eyes and a getting on with life.