#216 Quietimes vs BGrieco

bgrieco · Post by **bgrieco** » Tue May 07, 2013 8:50 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 #216 Quietimes (KGS 16k)vs BGrieco (IGS 16k) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 5 7 O 1 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue May 07, 2013 10:37 pm

( For beginners. ) :w18:

is a big local move, but wrong sequence --
W must first deal with the cut at (a):

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bm11 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 a O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 5 7 O 1 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |[/go]

If

, the fight is difficult for White:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |[/go]

quietimes · Post by **quietimes** » Wed May 08, 2013 10:58 am

quietimes · Post by **quietimes** » Wed May 08, 2013 11:02 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 #216 Quietimes (KGS 16k)vs BGrieco (IGS 16k) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 5 7 O 1 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 9 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

bgrieco · Post by **bgrieco** » Wed May 08, 2013 3:23 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 #216 Quietimes (KGS 16k)vs BGrieco (IGS 16k) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

@Quietimes,

When you post your next diagram :
change $$Bcm11 to $$Bcm21 and my last move (0) to an O.

jts · Post by **jts** » Wed May 08, 2013 3:52 pm

Just some constructive comments.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 #216 Quietimes (KGS 16k)vs BGrieco (IGS 16k) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O 1 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

seems to create cutting points unnecessarily. Drawing back accomplishes the same thing, and B can cheerfully respond to the W hane with a counter-hane.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 #216 Quietimes (KGS 16k)vs BGrieco (IGS 16k) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X 1 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Although I should say, this following fight looks fun for B to me. I look forward to criticism from more experienced players:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 #216 Quietimes (KGS 16k)vs BGrieco (IGS 16k) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O 3 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X 2 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Back to the game. B's peep is not awful, but it may be premature. Later on, if the W group comes under attack, :b15:

might prove to be the best peep... or it might be at a or b instead. The peep also gives up all the interesting follow-ups that would follow from after a Black play at c.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 #216 Quietimes (KGS 16k)vs BGrieco (IGS 16k) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . c . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . a . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 5 . O 1 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White pondered a pincer, but that would be absurd. If B tries to save the peeping stone (a mistake), W gets severe moves against the corner. If B sensibly abandons the peeping stone, then W can make a big extension from a solid wall.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 #216 Quietimes (KGS 16k)vs BGrieco (IGS 16k) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . 7 . . 5 6 O 1 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 9 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 #216 Quietimes (KGS 16k)vs BGrieco (IGS 16k) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . 8 . . 5 6 O 1 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White's actual response to the peep was a mistake that shows good fighting spirit. This sort of move is a solid response to a peep that aims to make a weak W group connect in bad shape; W refuses to submit in the way B plans. However, in this case W is not weak and not under attack, so the obstinate response is unnecessary.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 #216 Quietimes (KGS 16k)vs BGrieco (IGS 16k) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 0 O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . 8 5 7 O 1 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 2 X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 43 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The above seems to be a playable line - a mistake, but not a disaster by any means.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 #216 Quietimes (KGS 16k)vs BGrieco (IGS 16k) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . 7 5 8 O 1 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 43 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This line (above) makes it look like W has exchanged :w6:

for

, which not ideal, but is even less of a worry.

However, now that B has his cut and W neither hane'd at a nor set up the ladder at b, W would have been in terrible straits if B had simply cut. W has no way to rescue the marked stones, and all of the black stones are tied together.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 #216 Quietimes (KGS 16k)vs BGrieco (IGS 16k) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 9 W . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . b 5 7 W 1 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 a . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

quietimes · Post by **quietimes** » Wed May 08, 2013 7:02 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm21 #216 Quietimes (KGS 16k)vs BGrieco (IGS 16k) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I would like to ask if not too late. I have been using a Go editor, simply to run my thoughts out on the board. I have not used any reference (book or database) nor any other input. Simply reading out thoughts. Will this be ok?

bgrieco · Post by **bgrieco** » Wed May 08, 2013 7:48 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm21 #216 Quietimes (KGS 16k)vs BGrieco (IGS 16k) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . 2 . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ok, no problems.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu May 09, 2013 5:49 am

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » Thu May 09, 2013 8:20 am

To EdLee:

EdLee wrote:( For beginners. ) The hane is so big. Interesting both sides don't have any feeling about (a).
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Watching beginners is a stressful affair, especially when they overthink. I'm glad you brought this up, because I've been screaming in my head "Play 'a', play 'a'! Game over!"

In a faster game, I doubt this kind of straightforward move would be missed. :mrgreen:

bgrieco · Post by **bgrieco** » Fri May 10, 2013 4:53 pm

@Quietimes

I don't know about you, but I am REALLY curious about those comments.
I've seen some of Ed Lee's reviews of other games which are really good.
I wonder how much more we can learn about our mistakes and tesujis by reading them at this phase, while the moves are fresh and we remember clearly our strategy than at the end of the game where they will just be stuff we can't remember why we played that way.
If you want to open your gifts before Christmas, just say :twisted:

Boidhre · Post by **Boidhre** » Fri May 10, 2013 7:02 pm

It wouldn't be a good idea, some of the comments would definitely influence the game. Others wouldn't.

bgrieco · Post by **bgrieco** » Fri May 10, 2013 9:22 pm

Sorry to say that, but in my POV they already did.
For instance, in my malkovitch game against Dragon Pie, there are 46 posts for 39 moves.
In this game, there are 41 posts for 22 moves. There is almost one commentary per move.
It feels very awkward to make a move and see a post right afterwards.
In my head, it doesn't sound as "white made a good move", it sounds like "white should have played at a or b, now he created a bad shape, and black should play K10 asap", so I my next thought is "Darn....".

As I've seen, the last games were played by dans or SDKs, guys who have more conscience of the game. Perhaps, for them, those posts don't make a huge difference.

I imagine myself playing go, surrounded by people watching the game speaking in a language I can't understand, laughing, pointing at the board, etc.
I can't help to feel like the joke is on me.

I understand that the purpose of a Malkovitch game is exactly to know what the players are thinking and be able to discuss about it. But I never realized, until now, what exactly is to be "malkovitched".

This game may go on for months. I don't know for how long I'll be able to handle it. :oops:

I really would like to call it off. But I would like to know Quietimes' view on this.

The Intrepid · Post by **The Intrepid** » Fri May 10, 2013 10:56 pm

You are playing this game relatively quickly. I don't think it'll take you "months" to complete it. Keep the game going, and don't look at the hidden comments. :mrgreen:

Doing so would definitely influence the game.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri May 10, 2013 11:01 pm

bgrieco wrote:This game may go on for months. I don't know for how long I'll be able to handle it.
I really would like to call it off.

bgrieco, I waited almost 1 year (~11 days short) to read the hidden posts in my last Malkovich game!

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