44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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fwiffo wrote:@Bill:
I think that's the most educational, easy-to-understand example of tewari I've ever seen. That might belong on the Sensei's page.


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Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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After reading for a long time, I have concluded that there is no good way for me to seal him in. I end up dead in every variation I read. Time for a new plan.


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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O W . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O B X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Post by zinger »

Wow.

I can hardly believe that both players have overlooked black A7 as topazg showed. That play is in probably every tesuji book I have ever read, even basic ones. But the play suggests that Violence at least has missed it. And maybe Magicwand too, although it is easier to imagine him seeing it but not commenting on it.

:?: :?: :?:


edit:

ok there is a little more here than first meets the eye, but I think white still loses big:

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | a X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | 1 . 7 O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | 8 O O . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

.. and black cannot play 9 at a. However:

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 4 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | 1 . 3 O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If black answers this way, white has not time for 4, since 5 kills the corner. Am I missing something?
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Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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If b@a7, w@b7, no?
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Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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daniel_the_smith wrote:
If b@a7, w@b7, no?


Holy crap I think you're right. What total nonsense I just posted!
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Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X W . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X O . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . B O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X O W . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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@Magicwand:
Were the two stones at B6 and C6 a mis-read that you abandoned, or were you deliberately creating aji to use later?
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Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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Joaz Banbeck wrote:@Magicwand:
Were the two stones at B6 and C6 a mis-read that you abandoned, or were you deliberately creating aji to use later?

tried to create aji but misread

added comment:
i looked at it and it has very intresting aji hidden. if i get one more marked liberty filled...then aji will come alive. so i didnt lose toomuch points on the exchange. my main goal now is to stablize the group at same time break through.
then he will be in hot water for a while.
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | 2 . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 1 X X O O X X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | 6 O O . B X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O C X O O . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | 7 . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

edit: then again.. if he plays 2 to connect...i have nothing..
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . B X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . X X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . W . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . X X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . O B . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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