#179 - DJLLAP vs opex

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[go]$$Wcm140 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm140 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 2 . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm142 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O 1 . O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Kikashi before connecting. I guess if i just build the left side, i'll still be behind.
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[go]$$Wcm142 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O 1 2 O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Only answer. after this sequence, I will either have won, or spectacularly thrown away my lead :)
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[go]$$Wcm144 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . X . . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If not this move then which?
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[go]$$Wcm144 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 2 X . . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is why I think his last move was a mistake.
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[go]$$Wcm142 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . 3 X O . X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 2 X . . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is worse for My eyespace, and ends in Sente
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Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex

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opex wrote:If not this move then which?
Well, this move does not work so it was better to leave it as a ko threat. White's only chance left is to do massive damage to Black's territory on the bottom--by living there or by killing the bottom-left corner. Therefore, White should aim at the cut at "a." I did not read here, but perhaps White can start with some move in the marked area:
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[go]$$Wcm144
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . ? ? X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X a . ? ? ? ? . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . ? ? ? ? ? . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Edit:
Wait, what is Black doing? :shock:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . 6 3 1 X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . 7 5 2 O 4 X . . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black wins this caputing race, does he not?
Edit2:
This move for White would not work either:
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[go]$$Wcm6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . 2 1 O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . 4 O X 6 . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . 5 O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Last edited by The Intrepid on Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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The Intrepid wrote:Edit:Wait, what is Black doing? :shock:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . 6 3 1 X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . 7 5 2 O 4 X . . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black wins this caputing race, does he not?
Game line is different now.

I guess something like that could happen, with :w50: connecting and maybe some other :w48:
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[go]$$Wcm146 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 7 . 6 . a O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X 4 X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X 3 . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X 2 . . b . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . d X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , c . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Fighting for life at a to d.

With this line the top looks dead to me the group below can connect or make two eyes
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[go]$$Wcm146 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X 3 . . 2 . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X 4 X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . d X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , c . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I rather think he will try to save the whole group. Looks promising At d Black will get an eye and maybe at top.

edit: oh Black must connect first at :b49:

Hmmm :scratch:
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[go]$$Wcm146 Captures: b - 1, w - 8.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 C O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Forced. I think it's better than d14:
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[go]$$Wcm146 Miai for an eye (not a big matter though, he can still connect)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . b . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X 2 X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X a . X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 O X X . . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |[/go]
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Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex

Post by DJLLAP »

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[go]$$Wcm146 Captures: b - 1, w - 8.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 C O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X 2 . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I am trusting that this should be sente since now I can cut his group in half.
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Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex

Post by The Intrepid »

This game's exciting! ... and to think opex was almost ready to throw in the towel at one point. Never give up, never surrender! :D

There is a problem for Black here. Black intends to cut White if White tenukis. However, cutting takes away liberties from his own group on the right, potentially leading to a huge ko fight:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X X 3 O 4 O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . 2 1 X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If Black responds to this move, then White lived in sente, letting him come back to defend his group on the left. In other words, this would mean that White tenukied and got away with it, absent consequence. If Black does not respond to :w4:, on the other hand, White will begin the ko:
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[go]$$Wcm6 :b5: tenuki
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X X X O O O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X C X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O 2 O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't think Black can fight this ko. Therefore, this option is no good for Black, either ... and that's assuming White has to play :w4: and can't tenuki again at that point.

In any case, Black suddenly seems to be in great deal of trouble. The blunder on move 145 may well come to cost Black the game.
Edit:
White might consider to play the following move, which completely cuts Black group off while defending the cutting point at "a":
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O a O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . 1 X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
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Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex

Post by skydyr »

The Intrepid wrote:Edit:White might consider to play the following move, which completely cuts Black group off while defending the cutting point at "a":
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O a O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . 1 X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I was looking at this too, but with :w1: one space to the left. White would still have miai to connect after blocking below A if black tries to wedge in, either capturing black's wedging stone or the other stone in a very short ladder. On reflection, though, that doesn't work after black extends to your :w1:. With this, though, things get complicated after black tries to cut the keima. Lots of ko threats for the left, and black doesn't have time to both eliminate the ko and the cut/connection by white.

Looking back, I think black should just have connected at 133 and then fought it out on the left without having to worry about his main group. I've copied that position below.
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[go]$$Wcm132 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B . 1 . . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
125 as well (marked) did not really pressure any of white's groups and allowed white the marked move to eliminate his group worries and allow a more severe attack, though I think black was still ahead. If anything, I'd be tempted to have played it a line deeper, to make it easier to live underneath if it is cut off.
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Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex

Post by The Intrepid »

skydyr wrote:On reflection, though, that doesn't work after black extends to your :w1:.
Black may also consider this move, which threatens to live with "b".
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X b . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 2 O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
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Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex

Post by The Intrepid »

Now that I look at the position, perhaps White should not allow Black to play :b1:, so maybe White should play there himself:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Alternatively, White may consider to deny Black an eye on top, via the following move:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
However, then Black might threaten to connect:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . X . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , 2 . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I guess I need to try to read a bit deeper into the position. :)
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
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