i was doing this problem from "this is haengma" and i couldn't tell what was wrong with my solution compared to the book's solution. they both seem to cut off the same stone and i cannot refute my own solution even after playing it out on a board so i am wondering what is wrong with it.
variation 1 is the official solution, variation 2 is mine
cutting problem
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Re: cutting problem
cherryhill wrote:i was doing this problem from "this is haengma" and i couldn't tell what was wrong with my solution compared to the book's solution. they both seem to cut off the same stone and i cannot refute my own solution even after playing it out on a board so i am wondering what is wrong with it.
variation 1 is the official solution, variation 2 is mine
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Re: cutting problem
but if white connects at g3 with move 4, then if i follow up with g6 i can still cut him. hm i must be making a mistake because i cannot see how g6 doesn't work after g3
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Re: cutting problem
Then doesn't G6 still cut?billywoods wrote:Your move 4 is wrong. Connect at G3 instead.cherryhill wrote:i was doing this problem from "this is haengma" and i couldn't tell what was wrong with my solution compared to the book's solution. they both seem to cut off the same stone and i cannot refute my own solution even after playing it out on a board so i am wondering what is wrong with it.
variation 1 is the official solution, variation 2 is mine
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Re: cutting problem
Then black still peeps at G6?billywoods wrote:Your move 4 is wrong. Connect at G3 instead.
To me it seems that OP got it right, both ways are acceptable ways of cutting.
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Re: cutting problem
I have no idea what you mean by this...Kanin wrote:Oh, and billywoods, I found a hidden tag in your post. What was that all about?
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Re: cutting problem
It might be useful to ask if the marked move gives any benefit to black:
Compared with the end sequence in the alternative variation: If black tries to play the move now, white probably won't answer the same way. Here's one possibility: So I guess to me, I would wonder, again, if the marked exchange benefits black in the slightest: Both variations appear to cut, but if this exchange is even a fraction of a point better for black, that could be the reason it is better.
Compared with the end sequence in the alternative variation: If black tries to play the move now, white probably won't answer the same way. Here's one possibility: So I guess to me, I would wonder, again, if the marked exchange benefits black in the slightest: Both variations appear to cut, but if this exchange is even a fraction of a point better for black, that could be the reason it is better.
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Re: cutting problem
Well, I didn't realize what it was until now when I checked back in the thread. What happened was that you had already edited your post when I clicked "quote" to include strikeout tags and "I'm stupid". Now, I'm not forum savvy so I didn't know those were strikeout tags so to me it looked like they were tags to make only the original message show, and the "I'm stupid" appeared to be hidden to only show up in a quote. I bet a more experienced forum user would have identified what had happened right away, but to me it all just seemed bizarrebillywoods wrote:I have no idea what you mean by this...Kanin wrote:Oh, and billywoods, I found a hidden tag in your post. What was that all about?
Anyway, no hidden tags, just normal tags added on in an edit that did not show on my screen since I had not refreshed. My bad!-
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Re: cutting problem
Oops.Kanin wrote:Well, I didn't realize what it was until now when I checked back in the thread. What happened was that you had already edited your post when I clicked "quote" to include strikeout tags and "I'm stupid". Now, I'm not forum savvy so I didn't know those were strikeout tags so to me it looked like they were tags to make only the original message show, and the "I'm stupid" appeared to be hidden to only show up in a quote. I bet a more experienced forum user would have identified what had happened right away, but to me it all just seemed bizarre
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Re: cutting problem
I don't think that exchange is good for black. I think the key takeaway for this problem is just that double peep.Kirby wrote:It might be useful to ask if the marked move gives any benefit to black:
Compared with the end sequence in the alternative variation: If black tries to play the move now, white probably won't answer the same way. Here's one possibility: So I guess to me, I would wonder, again, if the marked exchange benefits black in the slightest: Both variations appear to cut, but if this exchange is even a fraction of a point better for black, that could be the reason it is better.
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Re: cutting problem
Does it say anywhere in the book that any move other than the first one of the given main-line solution is necessarily a failure?
And while the given solution may not be better than yours, it clearly is more educational, since it makes the double peep explicit.
And while the given solution may not be better than yours, it clearly is more educational, since it makes the double peep explicit.
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Re: cutting problem
Generally in cases like this the book will state that it's also ok to play the wedge first.leichtloeslich wrote:Does it say anywhere in the book that any move other than the first one of the given main-line solution is necessarily a failure?
And while the given solution may not be better than yours, it clearly is more educational, since it makes the double peep explicit.