44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:19 pm

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:40 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . X X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . X O . X O X . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:56 am

B+R.

My thoughts on the game combined with Mingjiu's commentary:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . B . . . . . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . W . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The marked exchange is pretty bad for white. I think my approach was reckless. Taking the corner is better.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . O . 5 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . 4 . 3 . . . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . 2 . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O 1 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Mingjiu recommends this sequence, to attack both sides.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . 4 6 . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X 3 . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O . 2 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . 7 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I should hane first, allowing black to get 6 is too big, according to Mingjiu.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . O . . a . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Mingjiu: Black should finish the joseki. Playing at a is small. Conversely, however, I should hane instead, since you played that knight's move, the hane is much better than the knight jump I made.

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This plan isn't necessarily overplay, but the fighting will be hard for both sides.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O W . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This was a huge mistake too. If I play here, it's much much better for white. I misread, thinking that I could capture if I extended.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . X X O O 6 . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . X O . 4 1 2 . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 3 . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I misread this sequence, I forgot you had 6 until I play this out. From there, I think any winning chances I had go down the drain.

All in all, I think I played really recklessly this game, but I don't really think we're far apart at all in strength. I think I can beat you if I played more calmly. This kind of overaggression is usually what I use to destroy KGS 1-3d, so you're a much more balanced player than I first thought.

Best of three, switch colors, continue with even games?

SpongeBob · Post by **SpongeBob** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:07 am

Congratulations, Magicwand! Very curious to see a revenge game.

Violence, you might want to edit your last diagram to switch black/white.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:09 pm

Violence wrote:Best of three, switch colors, continue with even games?

set it up and i will play if observers dont mind.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:08 pm

Great game!

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:16 am

Magicwand wrote:
Violence wrote:Best of three, switch colors, continue with even games?

set it up and i will play if observers dont mind.

This observer wants to see it.

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:05 pm

I found the Phil Hellmuth comment hilarious, but Magicwand did win. I would be happy to see another game.

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