#222 Kayres vs. Otenki

Kayres · Post by **Kayres** » Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:04 am

this is normal joseki:

However I think this is quite good for black. reasons are:
1) my press-down move at a won't work that well anymore since

kind of destroys the potential of any moyo I can build up after a
2) b seems more urgent now since he can enclose the right side much better with his last move. It feels like I have to do something there. But I will resist and play on the bottom left at first

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I think sometimes you have to play your own game and may not react to feelings you got forced to by your opponents play; like "I have to approach top right now".I feel this just clouds your mind. and you are always weaker when you are not playing your own game but only react to what your opponent does. since I am confident in my game, I will go with that.

I will play this:

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The

exchange is maybe not very good for white, locally. it might be considered a bad move. however he can get a move in sente at the 2nd line at f. with that move, when I ignore it, he can play a squeeze move and I would lose a lot of points in the corner. I feel like my exchange is worth it.

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now, I will show you another reason why the exchange is good in my opinion.

I feel like things will go this way:
and now I will not have the problem I pointed out above. with the cut, he won't be able to play a squeeze sequence, so I am better off. the value of

is big too, but as I said I think it will be worth it.

now in this variation,

is one step closer to my approach of his komoku in the bottom left corner. I have to think about this

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visually:

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which white move on the bottom works best? I feel like it's the triangled one.

so this is why I want to play the exchange first. and then I will threaten to connect and I think he will try to stop me fom connecting. this is what I will do, as shown.

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moyoaji · Post by **moyoaji** » Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:58 pm

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This kind of situation is exactly why I felt the right side was bigger. It is going to be very difficult for either side to develop the bottom from their initial corner moves. White's plan is interesting and could work, but Black, on the other hand, is getting a decent position on the right without needing to put in any effort. An enclosure at 'a' would give him a 5-space extension to the previous move. Another move here could be 'b' to bring down his 4th line stone and create a 5-space extension going the other way. The only issue for building the right is that he is undercut by white already, but as long as he comes away with sente from this situation on the bottom black should be in a good spot.

Black will likely play 'c' next because the hane by white here would make developing the bottom both possible and easy, even if that move seems a bit slow. I worry about the cut if he plays 'd' instead.

otenki · Post by **otenki** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:44 am

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Kayres · Post by **Kayres** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:43 am

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm in my opinion this is his weakest move up until now. his move.. what does it do.. it destroys my plans to build up the left side. but what else? I dont have to force to get to the pos I want to be in. you always have to be flexible and adapt to the situation. so if he does not want me to have it, so be it - but then I can gain other things since he has to play risky moves or moves that only fulfill one role.

if you play a move that only has one effect, I can try to achieve other things and thus your move will be worth less. its like you destroy something essential of the world we live in - so I just go ahead and establish a new world, and the decision you made is doing nothing anymore. so in the new world, with a new board position, he lost one move.

his move does not really threaten an invade at 'c'. I feel very safe there. maybe he has a technique to take away some points there, or even my base. so I will have a wall facing outside. but that is alright, my group is not in immediate danger right now and if I reply to an attacking move, I will still be fine.

what about a follow-up move at around 'd'? is my stone then in immediate danger? I still feel I can attach underneath his cornerstone at 'e' and I still have the exchange at 'b'. I do not fear that my stone is in immediate danger there aswell.

as to my move, I think the one I play is the best move locally. with the hane, his group kind of gets to an awkward shape. if he blocks, I play like this:

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plus, if I get a move at around a, I get a double-purpose move.
however he could play at the right after my move. then I can think about a move on lower left or top right. ez pz.

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otenki · Post by **otenki** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:58 am

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moyoaji · Post by **moyoaji** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:20 am

I'm very worried for black at this point.

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White's hane has not only helped him to get something on the bottom when his 3-3 could have been sealed in the corner, but it also has severely damaged black's group on the right. If white extends one more he can capture black's two stones in one move, so two stones that could have built black some influence toward the center have simply become a burden that black likely isn't going to want to save anyway.

White's lone stone does look a bit troubled, but it has options to escape and any influence black gets toward the center or bottom is already limited by white's hane.

For white, a-c all are reasonable to get his stone out.

I also think that 'd' could be an interesting move. However, do fear that black killing white's stone is possible and would be a huge gain.

Also, the area around 'e' is starting to look very big for both sides now.

'f' could be an option if white wanted to try to live small locally. But I think it could work. I see this sequence playing out. However, black would almost certainly come away with sente and a move like 'a' afterwards would be fantastic for black. However, his group on the left then starts looking a bit lacking in eye space.

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If white can read things out correctly and know he will live then he could actually play 'd' from the first diagram and treat escape and life as miai in exchange for a good position on the bottom.

Kayres · Post by **Kayres** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:55 pm

sorry for taking so long! I had an important exam and could not take my time to think abot my next move. I hope I will not have to make you wait again.

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otenki · Post by **otenki** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:48 am

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Kayres · Post by **Kayres** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:24 am

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otenki · Post by **otenki** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:59 am

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Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:22 am

Splatted · Post by **Splatted** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:48 pm

Phoenix wrote:
I've been on this forum for a while now, and I remember when otenki showed up and was a complete beginner. He was confused and struggling and had lots of problems (as we all did starting out) grasping some of the concepts of this game. But he went on with curiosity and confidence and kept asking and kept studying.

Look at his thought process now. "If he does X, I'll handle it with Y. Meanwhile A and B are miai and I'll strengthen my shape, aiming for C..." And his attitude in dealing with unexpected difficulties and strange positions is remarkable.

It's a world of difference, and I look forward to his continued progress.

jts · Post by **jts** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:18 am

Splatted wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
I've been on this forum for a while now, and I remember when otenki showed up and was a complete beginner. He was confused and struggling and had lots of problems (as we all did starting out) grasping some of the concepts of this game. But he went on with curiosity and confidence and kept asking and kept studying.

Look at his thought process now. "If he does X, I'll handle it with Y. Meanwhile A and B are miai and I'll strengthen my shape, aiming for C..." And his attitude in dealing with unexpected difficulties and strange positions is remarkable.

It's a world of difference, and I look forward to his continued progress.

I wasn't here when he first joined but I feel the same way about what I have seen. I'll admit to some jealousy, but so many people seem to get stuck at certain ranks that it's just great to see someone with so much momentum.

Kayres · Post by **Kayres** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:07 pm

hmm.. his group seems kinda heavy. I will just push through. I have some stuff to pull of, but I have one plan in mind; take away a lot from his left side, and then make the area he has surrounded very small. and also, if he blocks, I have a cut. I think the cut is quite sever. I dont know about it yet though. and also my move seems a bit small.. but it has a big follow up if he ignores it.

anyway, maybe we will get to this soon:

play the variation bottom left, or any other variation where I can reduce his side/corner, and then play a move like 'a'. I kind of like any move around 'a' here.

plus, 'b' is getting better and better if I can have it. I believe I will get it or something similiarly big, since he committed a lot to bottom left.

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Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:19 pm

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