Below is the game record. Much obliged in advance for your kind commentary.
A strange opening move
-
tekesta
- Lives in gote
- Posts: 546
- Joined: Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:10 am
- GD Posts: 0
- KGS: FanXiping
- OGS: slashpine
- Has thanked: 18 times
- Been thanked: 81 times
A strange opening move
I was playing a game on IGS a few days back. I lost the game by 15 points or so, but the outstanding thing about it was an opening move that caught me unawares. That is, White 6. Whether it was a punishable mistake or a clever opening move, I would've not known how to take advantage of it. Not to mention that, yet again, I let my opponent have two nice corner territories
Below is the game record. Much obliged in advance for your kind commentary.
Below is the game record. Much obliged in advance for your kind commentary.
- Attachments
-
- AOXHKXYJTW.sgf
- (4.9 KiB) Downloaded 552 times
-
Chew Terr
- Gosei
- Posts: 2060
- Joined: Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:45 pm
- Rank: KGS 3k
- GD Posts: 264
- KGS: Chew
- Location: Texas
- Has thanked: 546 times
- Been thanked: 172 times
- Contact:
Re: A strange opening move
I cannot offer a full review, as I am on my phone. However, I do not think w6 is to be feared unduly. I would probably use d17 to calmly block off your corner. If white tries to attack your top middle stone immediately with l17, you can extend from your top right to counterattack. This leaves your weak middle stone sandwiched between two weak white groups. White cannot pressure severely until both are stable, and you are likely to gain territory on one or both sides in the meantime.
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
-
Bill Spight
- Honinbo
- Posts: 10905
- Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:24 pm
- Has thanked: 3651 times
- Been thanked: 3373 times
Re: A strange opening move
There is a joseki where White approaches the top left corner at F-17, and then Black responds at D-17, and then White extends to J-17, to make a base. Since Black already has a stone at J-17, White cannot play there. Normal play is 
at D-17 to take away White's potential base. 
If White runs at this point, so much the better for Black.
must cut at G-17. Try it, and you'll see why.
must hane at Q-13. That's not only a good play, it is consistent with Black's previous two plays.
at D-17 to take away White's potential base. If White runs at this point, so much the better for Black. must cut at G-17. Try it, and you'll see why. must hane at Q-13. That's not only a good play, it is consistent with Black's previous two plays.The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
-
EdLee
- Honinbo
- Posts: 8859
- Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:49 pm
- GD Posts: 312
- Location: Santa Barbara, CA
- Has thanked: 349 times
- Been thanked: 2070 times
-
ez4u
- Oza
- Posts: 2414
- Joined: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:15 pm
- Rank: Jp 6 dan
- GD Posts: 0
- KGS: ez4u
- Location: Tokyo, Japan
- Has thanked: 2351 times
- Been thanked: 1332 times
Re: A strange opening move
A few thoughts on the early going...
\n "a" is not an option here, leaving 2 for WhiteDave Sigaty
"Short-lived are both the praiser and the praised, and rememberer and the remembered..."
- Marcus Aurelius; Meditations, VIII 21
"Short-lived are both the praiser and the praised, and rememberer and the remembered..."
- Marcus Aurelius; Meditations, VIII 21
-
moyoaji
- Lives in sente
- Posts: 773
- Joined: Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:53 pm
- Rank: KGS 1 kyu
- GD Posts: 0
- Universal go server handle: moyoaji
- Location: Michigan, USA
- Has thanked: 143 times
- Been thanked: 218 times
Re: A strange opening move
Your fear seems to be a white counter-attack, but this doesn't go so well...
After
(possibly at a or b instead - I personally like the keima) white now has two weak groups. This is every go player's worst nightmare. 2 weak groups usually equates to a lost game because as black moves toward the center he is making his middle group stronger and, consequently, attacking both white groups, but white has to pick which to defend on each move.
Remember that when you play the Low Chinese, you want your opponent to approach the 3-4 stone so that you have something to attack. This is why you will see professional players approaching the 4-4 stone first when their opponent plays the Low Chinese against them. It used to be common to approach the 3-4 on the outside instead, usually a long-knight's approach on the 4th line. I still see this move from time to time and there is nothing really wrong with it.
However, your opponent approached the bottom from the inside, which is what you want since the middle stone is already a pincer. An inside approach two spaces away is hard for white since he can't even comfortably make a 1-point base. He just has to run.
After
(possibly at a or b instead - I personally like the keima) white now has two weak groups. This is every go player's worst nightmare. 2 weak groups usually equates to a lost game because as black moves toward the center he is making his middle group stronger and, consequently, attacking both white groups, but white has to pick which to defend on each move.Remember that when you play the Low Chinese, you want your opponent to approach the 3-4 stone so that you have something to attack. This is why you will see professional players approaching the 4-4 stone first when their opponent plays the Low Chinese against them. It used to be common to approach the 3-4 on the outside instead, usually a long-knight's approach on the 4th line. I still see this move from time to time and there is nothing really wrong with it.
However, your opponent approached the bottom from the inside, which is what you want since the middle stone is already a pincer. An inside approach two spaces away is hard for white since he can't even comfortably make a 1-point base. He just has to run.
"You have to walk before you can run. Black 1 was a walking move.
I blushed inwardly to recall the ignorant thoughts that had gone through
my mind before, when I had not realized the true worth of Black 1."
-Kageyama Toshiro on proper moves
I blushed inwardly to recall the ignorant thoughts that had gone through
my mind before, when I had not realized the true worth of Black 1."
-Kageyama Toshiro on proper moves