#211 Adanux vs. tj86430

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Re: #211 Adanux vs. tj86430

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[go]$$Bcm79 captures: :w1:
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$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I don't think I can get sente here, so I close the side for good.
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Re: #211 Adanux vs. tj86430

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[go]$$Bcm79 captures: :w1:
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$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . X X X O 2 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This probably should have been done with a trigger but I do like spending time thinking about each more.
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Re: #211 Adanux vs. tj86430

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[go]$$Bcm81 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . X X X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I can't allow this, I think:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . 2 X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . X X X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


OTOH, there is this waiting:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . X X X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O 1 O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


White has to give up O3, beacuse of:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . X X X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O 1 O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 2 5 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Re: #211 Adanux vs. tj86430

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[go]$$Bcm81 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . X X X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


So he ends the monkey jump sequence with sente. It's not ideal, but in terms of points it was huge so I'd gladly do it again. If I were him then I'd jump into the bottom left corner at the 33 since it seems impossible to come back if I can solidify the corner at D2.
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Re: #211 Adanux vs. tj86430

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[go]$$Bcm83 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . X X X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


He must be reading my hidden comments :lol:

Kidding aside, a good solid move by him. If he defends his corner, I get to play another move, e.g. F6. If not, then I get the corner and he gets something else in return, and I don't know who gains in that trade.

I was also tempted to play F6 or F7 directly, or K17 which is almost sente but not quite according to my reading.
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Re: #211 Adanux vs. tj86430

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BTW, now that the monkey jump (W68) has been played to the end, if Adanux permits and someone's willing to do it, I'd very much like to see what is the proper way for both sides to handle it.
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[go]$$Bcm83 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . X X X O O |
$$ | . . 2 . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


My apologies for the long delay. The closest active game below this one is Uberdude vs Magicwand so it's clear I've spent FAR too long on this move :lol: . If you're still here, and wish to continue I'd be happy to keep playing. Also it's a little late now but if any viewers have thoughts on our monkey jump sequence I would be happy to hear them.

My opponents move seems fairly confusing. It seems like the move you play when you're ahead but I feel like I've got the upper hand in terms of points right now. If I were him I would have played at the 33 instead, and then focused on growing my center.
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Re: #211 Adanux vs. tj86430

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Adanux wrote:My opponent's move seems fairly confusing. It seems like the move you play when you're ahead but I feel like I've got the upper hand in terms of points right now.


When I read this comment I was surprised. I'm currently working on my counting skills and I saw black as ahead. So let's see if black is correct to play this way or if I was wrong to think black was winning.

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[go]$$Bcm83 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . w w w w w . . . . . . w w w w w |
$$ | b X O w w w w w . . . . X O O w w w w |
$$ | b X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O w |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X b b b b b X X O . |
$$ | . B . X X X X X O X b b b b b b b X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X b b b b b b X b . |
$$ | w w O O X X O O . . b b b b b b b b b |
$$ | w w w w O O . . . . b b b b b b b b b |
$$ | w w w w . . . . . X b b b b b b b b b |
$$ | w w . O . . . O . , b b b b b X b b b |
$$ | w w . . . . . . X . b b b b b b b b b |
$$ | w w . . . . . . . . b b b b b b X X X |
$$ | w w O . . . . . . . b b b b b b X O O |
$$ | w w . . . . . . . . b b b b b b b X O |
$$ | w w . . . . . . . . . . . X b b b X O |
$$ | w w w O . . . . . X . . . . X X X O O |
$$ | w w 2 . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . O w . w w w w |
$$ | . . . . b b . . . . . . . w w w w w w |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Both lose 1 point from prisoners and white has no komi. So by my count the score is black 83, white 57. I may be giving black too many points in the center - for white's sake I hope so, but it looks pretty solid. Even if it can be reduced a little black is, in fact, ahead. By a lot. As they say: dat center.

I think the monkey jump was a huge mistake by white. It really helped black solidify his side and center.

I think white needs to try to invade now. If it lives he wins, if it dies he loses. I think the game has come to that.

EDIT: Hold on. That black group is dead. I tried several variations and, assuming white plays correctly, black cannot live or force a fight. His group simply dies.

So here is the correct score:

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[go]$$Bcm83 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | w w w w w w w w . . . . . . w w w w w |
$$ | w B O w w w w w . . . . X O O w w w w |
$$ | w B O w O O O O . . . . X X . O O O w |
$$ | w w B w w B B O O X b b b b b X X O . |
$$ | w w w B B B B B O X b b b b b b b X . |
$$ | w w O B w O B O X X b b b b b b X b . |
$$ | w w O O B B O O . . b b b b b b b b b |
$$ | w w w w O O . . . . b b b b b b b b b |
$$ | w w w w . . . . . X b b b b b b b b b |
$$ | w w . O . . . O . , b b b b b X b b b |
$$ | w w . . . . . . X . b b b b b b b b b |
$$ | w w . . . . . . . . b b b b b b X X X |
$$ | w w O . . . . . . . b b b b b b X O O |
$$ | w w . . . . . . . . b b b b b b b X O |
$$ | w w . . . . . . . . . . . X b b b X O |
$$ | w w w O . . . . . X . . . . X X X O O |
$$ | w w 2 . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . O w . w w w w |
$$ | . . . . b b . . . . . . . w w w w w w |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Counting the captured black stones as 2 points each (instead of removing 1 from black and giving 1 to white) the score is

Black 81 - White 101

White is up by 20 so black should be playing more aggressively. The move he played now should help, but he'll need both a larger center and a claim to the bottom of the board if he wants to win.

That kill was huge.
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Re: #211 Adanux vs. tj86430

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No problem.

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[go]$$Bcm83 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This is what I had planned before the longish break, and it seems fine even today, so I play it. It may be a bit greedy, but OTOH I'm somewhat behind, so I need to take some risks.
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[go]$$Bcm83 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . c . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . b X . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . e X . . . . . d . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


These are the 5 most interesting moves I see in terms of endgame atm.

a Has the obvious advantage of being a dual purpose move that threaten to both break into his territory with a move like H7 and also solidify some territory for myself with E7. It also eems likely that he'll respond to it since he just played a move at F6 defending it.

b looks like a strong move since it can't be cut off without him sacrificing something but it leaves him with lots of options. His best one appears to be sacrificing his two stones at S6 in return for cutting off N5. However, if he plays that way I'll end in sente which makes playing b soon seem very appealing.

c is much bigger than it looks since it should help me make two eyes and live without having to directly capture his large black group. Not having to fill those liberties inside my territory is actually a lot of points. However, this move will likely end in gote for me so I'd prefer to get in some sente moves before I play it.

d and e are both large endgame moves but they seem roughly equivalent so I'm in no rush to play them. If he takes one, I'll take the other.


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[go]$$Bcm83 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm83 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Looks natural to me. Of course white can push through a lot of places, but I'll worry about it as it happens.
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[go]$$Bcm83 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


He has a lot of choices for how to respond to this move. I'm hoping he'll pick one that ends in sente for me so I can keep controlling the flow of this game. If he does, I'll be extremely tempted to play E7. It might be a little early to play that, but I like how it unifies my entire left side.
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[go]$$Bcm83 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . 7 . X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I really don't know how this will unfold, but anything else seems like a sure loss for me.
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[go]$$Bcm83 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . 7 8 X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Forced. I think he played the best move available since he gets to seal off his center at the cost of two stones. However, I'm not unhappy with this result since it ends in sente for me. Now I need to figure out what my next move is after this sequence ends.
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[go]$$Bcm83 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . 9 X O X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


It seems that I have to sacrifice two stones in gote:

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[go]$$Wcm1 captures: :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O O . . . . X X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X O X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O X X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . 2 . 6 5 X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 4 3 X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . B X O X X X O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . O . O O O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I hope that's the worst he can do; if it is I still think it is better than letting N5 crawl into my territory.
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