Does playing Go become boring if you stop studying?
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Does playing Go become boring if you stop studying?
I don't think I can afford to keep studying Go every day, that's too much time spent on a board game in my opinion.
But will the game become boring if I never study?
But will the game become boring if I never study?
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Re: Does playing Go become boring if you stop studying?
That the way it goes for me with Chess.
I play Chess rarely, don't study anything, and still enjoy playing the game...
Not so with GO, I really "feel" the need to learn... don't know why...
[DISCLAIMER, the puprose of this post is not to start a CHESS vs GO war
Just a personal feeling...]
I play Chess rarely, don't study anything, and still enjoy playing the game...
Not so with GO, I really "feel" the need to learn... don't know why...
[DISCLAIMER, the puprose of this post is not to start a CHESS vs GO war
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Re: Does playing Go become boring if you stop studying?
I stopped studying 25 years ago. I still play every day. But maybe a sample of one is not representative.
Still officially AGA 5d but I play so irregularly these days that I am probably only 3d or 4d over the board (but hopefully still 5d in terms of knowledge, theory and the ability to contribute).
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Re: Does playing Go become boring if you stop studying?
oca wrote:That the way it goes for me with Chess.
I play Chess rarely, don't study anything, and still enjoy playing the game...
Not so with GO, I really "feel" the need to learn... don't know why...
[DISCLAIMER, the puprose of this post is not to start a CHESS vs GO warJust a personal feeling...]
But, studying chess is so lame. It's just rote memorization of openings
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Re: Does playing Go become boring if you stop studying?
SmoothOper wrote:oca wrote:That the way it goes for me with Chess.
I play Chess rarely, don't study anything, and still enjoy playing the game...
Not so with GO, I really "feel" the need to learn... don't know why...
[DISCLAIMER, the puprose of this post is not to start a CHESS vs GO warJust a personal feeling...]
But, studying chess is so lame. It's just rote memorization of openings
While I'll come down squarely on the side of go vs. chess, that characterization of studying chess is as far off base as saying North Korea is the world's greatest defender of human rights.
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Re: Does playing Go become boring if you stop studying?
DrQuantum wrote:that characterization of studying chess is as far off base as saying North Korea is the world's greatest defender of human rights.
My sarcasm detector is beeping wildly when I point it at SmoothOper's post.
But then again, without a blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of a snobbish go player that someone won't mistake for the real thing.
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Re: Does playing Go become boring if you stop studying?
SmoothOper wrote:But, studying chess is so lame. It's just rote memorization of openings
That's like saying studying go is just rote memorization of joseki. Both games have an opening, a middle game, and an end game. Chess is dynamic as the relative value of the pieces changes as the game progresses in much the same way that the status of groups changes in go as more stones are added to the board.
But the OP asked whether the game gets boring without study and I'd say the game will only get boring if you don't enjoy it.
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Re: Does playing Go become boring if you stop studying?
teancoffee wrote:But will the game become boring if I never study?
not for me, it doesn't.
I don't play very often anymore, but I enjoy teaching beginners, and I enjoy watching high level games (and playing through them when I have time)
and I enjoy game recording/broadcasting
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Re: Does playing Go become boring if you stop studying?
oca wrote:I play Chess rarely, don't study anything, and still enjoy playing the game...
Not so with GO, I really "feel" the need to learn... don't know why...
Is like this with me too (not sure why either). Chess endgame studies can be quite interesting though.
"Tsumegos are for reading power and Tesujis for knowing which moves to read"
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Re: Does playing Go become boring if you stop studying?
DrQuantum wrote:SmoothOper wrote:oca wrote:That the way it goes for me with Chess.
I play Chess rarely, don't study anything, and still enjoy playing the game...
Not so with GO, I really "feel" the need to learn... don't know why...
[DISCLAIMER, the puprose of this post is not to start a CHESS vs GO warJust a personal feeling...]
But, studying chess is so lame. It's just rote memorization of openings
While I'll come down squarely on the side of go vs. chess, that characterization of studying chess is as far off base as saying North Korea is the world's greatest defender of human rights.
Of course, because we all know Germans are such great examples of defenders of human rights, that the North Koreans can't begin to surpass them on the non-notoriety scale, and while we're at it Germans have always had the best fiscal policy, never once going bankrupt as a society.
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Re: Does playing Go become boring if you stop studying?
Rote memorization works best with kids between the ages of 3 and 10 years; they seem to like memorizing facts, even if they are not very fond of testing
Rote memorization of the basics is time-consuming, but it's a good way to internalize basic knowledge so that it operates subconsciously, making more complex topics easier to handle than if the basics have not been internalized in the first place. This is why, in my humble opinion, it is better for elementary school students to concentrate on basic arithmetic, with an emphasis on rote memorization and testing occurring only once a week at most. With the internalization of the basics, math topics presented later on in the school curriculum become easier to handle, as even the most complex algebra, trigonometry, and calculus problems are just multi-step arithmetic problems.
Rote memorization can also work for students of Go. Of course practice makes perfect (just ask a pro!), but most adults who are learning Go for the first time may not have interest in this method, as it is time-consuming and adults generally look to be as efficient as possible with their daily time. Still, rote memorization of elementary material in all categories - life & death, tesuji, endgame, fuseki, middle game, and joseki - can provide a foundation on which to base understanding of intermediate and advanced material. Intermediate and advanced problems often include several steps for the solution, whereas beginner problems are usually 3-5 moves at most.
Rote memorization of the basics is time-consuming, but it's a good way to internalize basic knowledge so that it operates subconsciously, making more complex topics easier to handle than if the basics have not been internalized in the first place. This is why, in my humble opinion, it is better for elementary school students to concentrate on basic arithmetic, with an emphasis on rote memorization and testing occurring only once a week at most. With the internalization of the basics, math topics presented later on in the school curriculum become easier to handle, as even the most complex algebra, trigonometry, and calculus problems are just multi-step arithmetic problems.
Rote memorization can also work for students of Go. Of course practice makes perfect (just ask a pro!), but most adults who are learning Go for the first time may not have interest in this method, as it is time-consuming and adults generally look to be as efficient as possible with their daily time. Still, rote memorization of elementary material in all categories - life & death, tesuji, endgame, fuseki, middle game, and joseki - can provide a foundation on which to base understanding of intermediate and advanced material. Intermediate and advanced problems often include several steps for the solution, whereas beginner problems are usually 3-5 moves at most.
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Re: Does playing Go become boring if you stop studying?
As you can see, it doesn't really matter if you include this or not. When given the chance, the chess vs go people will start the discussion anyway, with or without you. ^^ Thank you for trying though.oca wrote:[DISCLAIMER, the puprose of this post is not to start a CHESS vs GO warJust a personal feeling...]
Trying to get back to the op: I tend to have more fun playing go when I'm also studying it, because I have new things to try out in my games. A nice bonus is that losses don't fluster me nearly as much when I'm studying, then there's something to learn. When I'm just playing go to have a good time, losing tends to feel much more unpleasant.
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Re: Does playing Go become boring if you stop studying?
To me, Go is fun whether I'm studying the game or not. You can, after all, just play for the pure enjoyment of the game. Something else to keep in mind is that you can always learn from the games you play, and thus sort of study and play at the same time. It's not the same as studying specific tactics or positions independently, but every game can nonetheless be a learning experience.
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Re: Does playing Go become boring if you stop studying?
Huh?SmoothOper wrote:Of course, because we all know Germans are such great examples of defenders of human rights, that the North Koreans can't begin to surpass them on the non-notoriety scale, and while we're at it Germans have always had the best fiscal policy, never once going bankrupt as a society.