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Re: Non standard 9 or 10 stones handicap placement
Oca, you need to try against a white which can give you 9 stones with traditional placement in order to get a feel of how each position works for you.
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Re: Non standard 9 or 10 stones handicap placement
Edit: of course, the below is probably strictly better than the above:
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Re: Non standard 9 or 10 stones handicap placement
illluck wrote:Oca, you need to try against a white which can give you 9 stones with traditional placement in order to get a feel of how each position works for you.
I went to the same conclusion
here is the standard nine stone (I let the 6.5 komi so that I have the same condition then with the two first game)
so far that still big block in the center that was the more confortable for me (but it is 10 stones.. not 9)
I feeled quite the same with your proposition and the standard one.
very weird
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Re: Non standard 9 or 10 stones handicap placement
illluck wrote:
I will call that one "the rotor" I like it very much and will play it next.
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Re: Non standard 9 or 10 stones handicap placement
Here is the rotor, which was quite easy but a lot of fun, it forced me to play more agressivly then I normaly do.
and the "HI" one which was way more difficult for me... but finish with a nice ladder and net
I finally won but I had to play the "back" button a few times
and the "HI" one which was way more difficult for me... but finish with a nice ladder and net
I finally won but I had to play the "back" button a few times
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Re: Non standard 9 or 10 stones handicap placement
The key for comparison is that white has to be strong enough to give 9 stones in the first place. I'd be happy to take a stab as white to try a few games with the various openings. 9 stones might not be the correct handicap between us, but I think it may be more illustrative than games against SmartGo.
@DrStraw: You may be right, I suspect I can probably play the average pro with 6-8 stones (ignoring the young pros who are very very close to top level when they qualified). You are probably stronger than me on regular time as I play a lot of blitz. On the other hand, I think also that pros generally don't play the type of bullying moves required for high handicap games - I've heard of a Chinese amateur 7d (i.e. someone who has performed very well at national-level amateur tournaments - stronger than the average KGS 9d) being beaten down to 5 stones by 宋雪林 9p (who, incidentally, lost against Yu Zhiying when she was 13).
@DrStraw: You may be right, I suspect I can probably play the average pro with 6-8 stones (ignoring the young pros who are very very close to top level when they qualified). You are probably stronger than me on regular time as I play a lot of blitz. On the other hand, I think also that pros generally don't play the type of bullying moves required for high handicap games - I've heard of a Chinese amateur 7d (i.e. someone who has performed very well at national-level amateur tournaments - stronger than the average KGS 9d) being beaten down to 5 stones by 宋雪林 9p (who, incidentally, lost against Yu Zhiying when she was 13).
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Re: Non standard 9 or 10 stones handicap placement
illluck wrote: I'd be happy to take a stab as white to try a few games with the various openings. 9 stones might not be the correct handicap between us, but I think it may be more illustrative than games against SmartGo.
Fantastic ! maybe we can start with this one, it's ten stones... is it ok for you ?
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Re: Non standard 9 or 10 stones handicap placement
Sure. Would you prefer a malkovich or a game on OGS instead (that way if we are both on we can play at a real-time pace)?
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Re: Non standard 9 or 10 stones handicap placement
Sure. Would you prefer a malkovich or a game on OGS instead (that way if we are both on we can play at a real-time pace)?
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Re: Non standard 9 or 10 stones handicap placement
If I could place the 9 stones where I wanted, I would do this:
(Why doesn't my code have a top border?)
(Why doesn't my code have a top border?)
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Re: Non standard 9 or 10 stones handicap placement
Abyssinica wrote:(Why doesn't my code have a top border?)
top border cannot be on the first line which is for comment
you need something like that :
[go]$$ the first line is for comments
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Re: Non standard 9 or 10 stones handicap placement
illluck wrote:Sure. Would you prefer a malkovich or a game on OGS instead (that way if we are both on we can play at a real-time pace)?
I would prefer a malkovich, as I have plenty of time, but not in one block (other said, I have two children...
)Could you set it up ? I don't know the exact procedure yet...
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Re: Non standard 9 or 10 stones handicap placement
oca wrote:Abyssinica wrote:(Why doesn't my code have a top border?)
top border cannot be on the first line which is for comment
you need something like that :
[go]$$ the first line is for comments
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
That helped. What do you think about my 9 stone handicap idea?
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Re: Non standard 9 or 10 stones handicap placement
Abyssinica wrote:What do you think about my 9 stone handicap idea?
I like it, it is really close to what I did against the guy who let me play the game.
but I lose the game as he was able to kill a big group of my stones... still a very strong one I think
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