Zen Malkovich #1: Nikolas73 (6k) Fwiffo (4k) Harleqin (2d)

Nikolas73 · Post by **Nikolas73** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:02 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This move is a bit on the small side perhaps, but played in the interest of keeping a base for Black. It also sets up endgame with a monkey jump to a16.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . a . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Depending on White's next move, Black might try A (to build a center area) or B (to attack White's 8 stones which still only have 1 eye) next.

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:04 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Harleqin · Post by **Harleqin** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:10 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O 3 X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Nikolas73 · Post by **Nikolas73** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:44 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 4 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:12 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . . 5 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Harleqin · Post by **Harleqin** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:25 am

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Nikolas73 · Post by **Nikolas73** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:31 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O O 7 . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This move was a little puzzling, but I believe :b67:

is the correct response, locally. I can only think that Black wanted to accompish something like this, where both A and B are threatened:

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What I expect next (or something similar):

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If White cuts around S5 at some point (perhaps instead of :w68:

Black should have no trouble defending, because White will need to connect after Black defends at S6.

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:03 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . 8 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Harleqin · Post by **Harleqin** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:58 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 B:1, W:1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . X X . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . X X . X . . . . O . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:29 pm

I think white is at least 25 points behind and probably ought to resign. You guys agree?

Harleqin · Post by **Harleqin** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:43 pm

fwiffo wrote:I think white is at least 25 points behind and probably ought to resign. Do you agree?

I count White definitely behind, although I think that it is a bit less than 25 points, rather about 10-15, but Black is also so thick that I would regard it as very difficult for White to catch up.

I would consent to a resignation here.

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:05 am

@Nikolas: You OK with moving on to a review?

Nikolas73 · Post by **Nikolas73** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:37 am

Sorry, I was ill for a few days. Yes, go ahead - in games at my level I might continue 10-20 moves more as anything can happen, but I doubt Black will make any serious mistakes in this game.

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:39 pm

Here are my thoughts on the first 20 moves.

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When I played :b5:

I expected :b7:

, and that's what Nikolas played. On move 6, Harleqin commented that the left side was less interesting because of the low position of :w6:

. I think it's true that the large enclosure facing the top makes an extension on that side makes an extension for white seem pretty smallish on the left side. But it's a very nice extension for black (and therefore a nice one for white to prevent). So it still seems like a really big point to me. Anyone else have an opinion?

Both Harleqin and I thought :w10:

was a mistake. At my level, I just sorta "know" it's bad, but it's hard for me to prove it.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . 2 . 3 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 0 . | $$ | . . X , 5 . . . . , . . . . . 1 8 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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happened exactly as I expected and I think black had an advantage by this point. Then comes white's invasion... I'd like to see some stronger players comment on that.

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