Non standard joseki question.

Krama · Post by **Krama** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:59 pm

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Would white simply play Q18?

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:35 pm

r18 is much better shape. Then you can aim for n17 and q14.

I remember Dinerstein played it in his famous win against O Rissei 9p.
http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/3120

leichtloeslich · Post by **leichtloeslich** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:25 am

Listen to the dude, this is generally an awful exchange:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ ------------+ $$ . . . . . . | $$ . 2 1 . a . | $$ . X . O . . | $$ . . X X O . | $$ . . . . O . | $$ . . . . . . | $$ . . . X . . | $$ . . . . . . |[/go]

It fixes black's top while you'll have to come back to fix the weakness at "a".

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B Only one eye locally $$ ------------+ $$ . . 7 . 4 . | $$ . X O 2 1 5 | $$ . X . O 3 8 | $$ . . X X O 6 | $$ . . . . O . | $$ . . . . . . | $$ . . . X 9 . | $$ . . . . . . |[/go]

Basically I think you should only ever play q18 if you intend to immediately take gote to play s18 afterwards. That will hopefully make you more reluctant to make that "fake sente" q18 exchange.

Krama · Post by **Krama** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:59 am

Thank you for your suggestions

shapenaji · Post by **shapenaji** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:07 pm

Or

you can get fancy:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ --------------+ $$ . . . . . . . | $$ . 2 1 3 . . . | $$ . 4 X . O . . | $$ . . . X X O . | $$ . . . . . O . | $$ . . . 5 . . . | $$ . . . . X . . | $$ . . . . . . . |[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ --------------+ $$ . . . , . . . | $$ 8 7 1 2 4 . . | $$ . 6 X 3 O 5 . | $$ . . 9 X X O . | $$ . . . . . O . | $$ . . . . . . . | $$ . . . . X . . | $$ . . . . . . . |[/go]

Krama · Post by **Krama** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:45 pm

So

is not exactly the best response?

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:11 pm

Krama wrote:So is not exactly the best response?

Indeed, should r18 clamp first.

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