50. Magicwand (3d) v. Fwiffo (4k)

Harleqin · Post by **Harleqin** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:50 am

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:18 am

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:21 am

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KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:01 am

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:18 am

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KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:26 am

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:37 pm

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:08 am

now i have some time to comment on this game..
my recent move is looking at "a" and "b".
i am building some influence to attack unstable group in the middle.
also if i can seal lower left corner then i can invade 3-3 point for the kill.
i think i can attack the weak group on top now and possibly kill that group.
but i also can attack by attacking somewhere else and getting influence.
one or two moves by black will not give him life so i dont have to attack directly.
black really dont have much points anywhere. i might win by points and not have to kill any group.

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KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:44 am

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Jonas · Post by **Jonas** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:03 am

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:05 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm81 Prisoners - W: 2, B: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . X X O X X O . | $$ | . X X X O . . . . , . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . 1 . O . X X . O . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . O . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . X . X X O . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

point"a" is my right. i dont think he has time to play that point.

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KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:02 am

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:12 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm81 Prisoners - W: 2, B: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . X X O X X O . | $$ | . X X X O . . . . , . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . O . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . O . O . X X . O . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . O . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . X . X X O . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I looked at several moves to attack this group. The goal here is to build up a little power in the middle (and maybe take a little territory at the top if the opportunity presents), then see what I can do about the bottom white group.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . X X O X X O . | $$ | . X X X O . . . . , . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . O . . d . . . . . . . O . . O . . | $$ | . . O b O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . | $$ | . O . X c e . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . a X . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . O . O . X X . O . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . O . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O . X . X X O . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I wanted to protect the connection underneath with a, which also removes a potential gote eye for the white group along the edge. But a itself is gote, and the connection underneath is only in ko. Since last I looked at this ko, I think I've gained some threats, so it's less ugly looking than before.

I also considered b, followed by forcing moves at c and/or d (not necessarily in that order). I'm pretty sure it's sente, but it's pretty aji keshi. Almost as bad as pushing through a bamboo joint.

So I figured, if c is forcing after having played b, is it forcing without playing b? I think it is, but it feels slow. So I looked at the jump at e, and it seems to be fine. Yeah, white could push and cut, but that gives me enough forcing moves that I think the result is favorable for black.

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is needed to prevent a ladder, so he can't run away with :w12:

. So I think the push and cut is unlikely.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:16 am

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KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:19 am

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