38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #144 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X B X O . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X O . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X O O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #144 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . W . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X B X O . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X O . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X O O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #146 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . B O . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X X X O . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X O . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X O O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

ok, it seems that for a change we will have some white sente :)
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #146 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . W O . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X X X O . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X O . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X O O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #148 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . B X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X X X O . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X O . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X O O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i was convinced that i shouldn't answer white and play elsewhere (G15) and wrote long analysis with 3 diagrams to prove my truth but in the process i have found out that if one of those moves is better, it is F13. too bad that when i was finishing it, my computer froze, i did reset and my analysis is now forever lost
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #148 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X X X O . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X O . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X O O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O W |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
he is answering every little thing i play.
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #150 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X B O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X X X O . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X O . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X O O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

good point from white, preventing my own sente T3 and also pretty much sente for him
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #150 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O W . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X X X O . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X O . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X O O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #152 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X X X O . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X O . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X O O X . X . . O X X O B X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

as i count, it is still very close, i would say even (with my not very exact counting). that means every move is important, i don't want to mess it up now. and something not very familiar to me, usually endgame is annoying for me, now i am enjoying it
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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[go]$$Wcm153 Move #153 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . O O 1 X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . . O X X 2 . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X X X O . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X O . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . 7 . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O 6 X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X 5 . 3 4 . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X O O X . X . . O X X O B X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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Seems to me like both players are leaving K18 unplayed for too long.
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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I think that the presumption of opponent's moves is a bit much now.
A good system naturally covers all corner cases without further effort.
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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Any predictions regarding outcome? Mine is below:
Black will win with 2 points (-komi).
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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zinger wrote:
Seems to me like both players are leaving K18 unplayed for too long.


K18 is too small for black, as white plays L18 and black finishes in gote. I expect black to come in from the other side with N18 and L18
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[go]$$Bcm160 Move #160-164 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X X X O . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X O . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O 4 O . O O . O . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X 3 . . . . . O X X . 1 X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X O 2 O X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X O O X . X . . O X X O X X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

ok, i see you really don't waste time :). change white's moves in my sequence, if you disagree
i would like to deviate from white's sequence, but i cannot see a advantageous way to do it. so i tried my own sente sequence (hopefully it is sente) followed by big 164. i should soon recount it once again
Spilling gasoline feels good.

I might be wrong, but probably not.
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