Batoo(-kovich) #2: freegame vs. gaius

gaius · Post by **gaius** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:05 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Score - B: 42, W: 23 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O X . | $$ | . . m . O . O X X . X | $$ | . . @ . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | p . . @ 1 . X O O . X | $$ | . . X X O . . B O . O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

freegame · Post by **freegame** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:32 am

Atari

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Score - B: 42, W: 24 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O X . | $$ | . . m . O . O X X . X | $$ | . . @ . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | p . . @ X . X O O . X | $$ | . W X X O . . B O . O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

my thoughts

some thoughts about batoo.
I use some examples from the game so it's for spectators only

I'm really beginning to hate the plus points. The minus points are fun, but the plus points make building the sides a huge pain.
from what I learned from this game the plus points on the edge actually make the center more valuable.
This is counter intuitive, and I kind of misjudged some positions because of that.

explanation:
I think (and thought when we started this game) that losing a stone played at a plus point should lose you the bonus.
That way, if you have a plus point inside your territory, black can only prevent you to get the plus points, not take plus points himself.
I claimed the left and top plus point with this in mind. However as the rules became clear I'm now faced with the fact that black can play both of my plus points in sente. because of this my position is inferior to the black one.

:b3:

is sente now because of my cutting points. So black gets 5 bonus points, he loses the stone so not point for that, and I have to respond inside my own territory (+6 sente for black). I can not play the plus point anymore so I lose 5 bonus points -1 stone inside my teritory (I lose 4 point gote option) so I count this as an 8 point loss for white.

If losing the stone lost you the bonus points move :b3:

would in sente remove a 4 point gote move.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Score - B: 45, W: 27 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O X . | $$ | . . m 2 O . O X X . X | $$ | . . @ 1 . X X O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . X . . . | $$ | 3 O X X X . X O O . X | $$ | . W X X O . . B O . O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

similar thing at the top plus point. also sente for black.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Score - B: 45, W: 27 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . 6 1 2 5 . . . | $$ | . . . . . 4 O X O X . | $$ | . . m O O 3 O X X . X | $$ | . . @ X . X X O O X . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . | $$ | X O X X X . X O O . X | $$ | . W X X O . . B O . O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

Those two variation with the rules as they are cost me almost 10 points compared the the rules as I thought they were. :sad:

If I play another batoo game I'm going to change my play and focus more on the center. this allows me to later in the game mess around by playing the plus points inside my opponents territory taking points away for it.

gaius · Post by **gaius** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:45 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Score - B: 43, W: 24 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O X . | $$ | . . m . O . O X X . X | $$ | . . @ . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | p . 1 @ X . X O O . X | $$ | . W X X O . . B O . O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

freegame · Post by **freegame** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:18 am

another atari

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Score - B: 43, W: 25 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O X . | $$ | . . m . O . O X X . X | $$ | . . @ . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | p W X @ X . X O O . X | $$ | . O X X O . . B O . O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

gaius · Post by **gaius** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:01 am

.. and that's a base stone going off!

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Score - B: 44, W: 20 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O X . | $$ | . . m . O . O X X . X | $$ | . . @ . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | p O X . X . X O O . X | $$ | . O X X O . . B O . O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

Trigger:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Score - B: 45, W: 21 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O X . | $$ | . . m . O . O X X . X | $$ | . . @ . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . 1 X . X . X . . . | $$ | p O X 2 X . X O O . X | $$ | . O X X O . . B O . O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

freegame · Post by **freegame** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:22 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Score - B: 45, W: 27 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O X . | $$ | . . m . O . O X X . X | $$ | . . @ . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . X . . . | $$ | p O X X X . X O O . X | $$ | . O X X O . . B O . O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . W . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

gaius · Post by **gaius** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:09 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Score - B: 46, W: 27 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O X . | $$ | . . m . O . O X X . X | $$ | . . @ . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . X . . . | $$ | p O X X X . X O O 1 X | $$ | . O X X O . . B O . O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

And trigger:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Score - B: 47, W: 26 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O X . | $$ | . . m . O . O X X . X | $$ | . . @ . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . X 3 . . | $$ | p O X X X . X O O 1 X | $$ | . O X X O . . B O 2 O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

freegame · Post by **freegame** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:14 am

My internet is down (again :cry:

). I accept your suggested moves. I also do know what I´m going to ply, but I´m not going to write it all on my phone. I´ll post again when I have internet back (this weekend I hope)

sorry for the delay.

freegame · Post by **freegame** » Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:14 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Score - B: 47, W: 27 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O X . | $$ | . . m . O . O X X . X | $$ | . . @ . . X X . . X . | $$ | . . O X . X . X X . . | $$ | p O X X X . X O O X X | $$ | . O X X O . . B O O O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . W . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

gaius · Post by **gaius** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:24 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Score - B: 53, W: 27 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O X . | $$ | . . m . O . O X X . X | $$ | . . @ . . X X . . X . | $$ | . . O X . X . X X . . | $$ | 1 O X X X . X O O X X | $$ | . O X X O . . B O O O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

freegame · Post by **freegame** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:04 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Score - B: 53, W: 27 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O X . | $$ | . . m . O . O X X . X | $$ | . . @ . . X X . . X . | $$ | . W O X . X . X X . . | $$ | X O X X X . X O O X X | $$ | . O X X O . . B O O O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

gaius · Post by **gaius** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:47 am

Laurens, you forgot to update your score again

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Score - B: 59, W: 28 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O X . | $$ | . . m . O . O X X . X | $$ | . . @ . . X X . . X . | $$ | . O O X . X . X X . . | $$ | X O X X X . X O O X X | $$ | . O X X O . . B O O O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

gaius · Post by **gaius** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:50 am

freegame · Post by **freegame** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:39 am

I play my hidden move

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Score - B: 59, W: 28 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O X . | $$ | . . m . O . O X X . X | $$ | . . @ . . X X . . X . | $$ | . O O X . X . X X . . | $$ | X O X X X . X O O X X | $$ | . O X X O . . B O O O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

gaius · Post by **gaius** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:08 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Score - B: 60, W: 28 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O X . | $$ | . . m . O 1 O X X . X | $$ | . . @ . . X X . . X . | $$ | . O O X . X . X X . . | $$ | X O X X X . X O O X X | $$ | . O X X O . . B O O O | $$ | . X @ X O . B X X O . | $$ | . . W O X B . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]

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