#240 awef vs jeromie

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Re: #240 awef vs jeromie

Post by awef »

Hey jeromie, sorry for the delay.

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[go]$$cm31 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X 5 . 7 X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . 8 4 6 . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 O O . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this will be sente. I plan to play L4 next chance but we'll see. Other moves I was considering:

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[go]$$cm31 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X 5 . 7 X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . 8 4 6 . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


and

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[go]$$cm31 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 9 X 5 . 7 X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . 8 4 6 . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$cm31 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X 5 . 7 X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . 8 4 6 . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | 0 . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 O O . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black's move is a relatively small reduction, but it is sente so I guess it makes sense to play this now. I imagine this is the sequence he has in mind:

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[go]$$Wcm40 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | 1 3 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | 2 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Because this move 41 looks worse for black:
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[go]$$Wcm40 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | 1 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | 3 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And a tenuki after 42 leaves 44 as sente for white :
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[go]$$Wcm40 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | 1 3 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | 2 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . 4 . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I've looked at a few other moves in the local area (e.g. B15), but they all seem to be slightly worse in points and still end in gote for white.
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Re: #240 awef vs jeromie

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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Okay, yup, I figure this will end in sente for me, so still some time to think about where to play with it.
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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sequence as noted above.
I did check to see if an immediate atari at A12 or B12 could lead to a favorable result, but neither worked.
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Re: #240 awef vs jeromie

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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , 3 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Keeping this stone easily connected seems like a reasonable enough play. Nothing looks urgent to me.
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Re: #240 awef vs jeromie

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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , 3 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black has a lot more territory than white, but I think this move is sente (white has a follow up at C10) and big. I'm estimating what white is about 25 points ahead in territory (though I didn't try for an exact count), but at this level I don't think I'm out of the game yet. Still, my follow up to this needs to be something that does more than secure boundary lines.

I considered playing in the lower left corner to keep myself from getting sealed in there, but I think this is bigger.
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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , 3 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


obligatory.
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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . . . 6 O O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , 3 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I was tempted to keep playing locally with the marked move (threatening a), but playing here is likely to end in gote and only makes a really big profit if black blunders. Playing on the right side is another sente move (I think) and starts to look like I can make 5th line territory in that area (if I fix my weakness at b).

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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 5 W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O b . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , 3 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I did make sure that I have a response if black gets to play on the left before I do, but I think the clamp works if he hanes:

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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 B W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , 3 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If black responds by extending I'll jump out with 48.

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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . 7 X X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . 8 . 6 O O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , 3 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If he hanes, I'll have to give a little because I don't think the cross cut will work.

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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . . 7 6 O O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , 3 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The other area I looked at is a move around a or b to move my lower left group into the center and keep black's two big groups separated, potentially allowing a later invasion in one of the marked areas. I think preventing black from turning at my actual 46 is more important, though.

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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . . . 6 O O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . M . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . a . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . b . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , 3 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . M . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #240 awef vs jeromie

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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . 7 X X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . . . 6 O O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , 3 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He gave me a push so I'll walk. I wanted to hane. I probably could've gotten away with it but things started looking messy after

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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . 8 X X 0 . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . 9 7 6 O O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , 3 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . 7 X X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . 8 . 6 O O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , 3 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sticking with my previously mentioned plan.
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Re: #240 awef vs jeromie

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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . 7 X X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . 8 . 6 O O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , 3 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Oops, maybe I should've haned. Didn't want him to get out in front of me like that. Not sure how I want to handle that situation yet. I might push through and then cut, but not sure. I'm pretty sure my move will be sente, though, so I'll have more time to figure it out.
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Re: #240 awef vs jeromie

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@awef
awef wrote:I'm pretty sure my move will be sente, though, so I'll have more time to figure it out.

You're playing an untimed game. There's no need to play timesuji to buy time to read, unless you think that's actually the right move to play.
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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . 7 X X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . 8 . 6 O O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , 3 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm kind of relieved this move was finally played.

If awef makes a second move in this area, I will ignore it to play N14. I expect he will play elsewhere, though.
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[go]$$cm41 awef(B) v jeromie(W) 6.5 komi
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X . X X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | O 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . 7 X X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . . . . . . . 8 9 6 O O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , 3 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Going to cut to leave a thorn in his side and then switch to left side. I think extending from Black 45 is important.
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