#231 drmwc vs Joaz Banbeck

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sat Sep 06, 2014 5:33 pm

Joaz Banbeck wrote:
$$Wcm61
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X X X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . 1 . . . X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . X X X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
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[go]$$Wcm61 $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . X X X , . . . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . 1 . . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

The contest right now is who can tenuki to the top side first without leaving bad aji at the center/bottom....

I'm playing with fire here. White would like to make a move in sente that protects the cut, so that he can tenuki first. It is almost possible. For example:

White peeps, tenukis, and allows the cut:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . 3 . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . X X X , . . . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O 4 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . 8 6 5 O . . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X 7 . . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 9 1 . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X 2 X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

White prevents the cutting stones from connecting southward, but black cuts off white:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . O . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . X X X , . . . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . X X O O . . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . 3 1 X O 5 . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 4 2 O O . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

White tries to escape, but black is one point ahead:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . X X X , . . . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O X 9 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . X X O O 8 . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . X X X O X 2 4 7 O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . 0 O O O O 1 3 5 6 . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

That is just one example. I've looked at it a lot, and I can't find any line that works for white.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:01 pm

There is also this cute tesuji to deal with the aji of the peep at H6:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc 3 tenukis $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . 3 . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . X X X , . . . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O . . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X 5 . . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X 6 X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . 1 O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O 2 O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . X X X , . . . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O . . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X X 9 . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O 7 . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . 8 X O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O O O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

Black lets white have the peep, but connects around.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . X X X , . . . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O . . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . 4 X X X . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 2 1 O X . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O 3 O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O O O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

I'll keep this in reserve if he comes up with some sente move which spoils the connection in my post above.

I may end up conceding something to him while he gives me the J2/J3/J4 stones

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:13 pm

More comments for observers:

Joaz Banbeck wrote:...I'm playing with fire here... black is one point ahead:

$$Wc
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X X X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O O X 9 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X X O O 8 . . X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X 2 4 7 O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 O O O O 1 3 5 6 . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
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[go]$$Wc $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . X X X , . . . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O X 9 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . X X O O 8 . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . X X X O X 2 4 7 O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . 0 O O O O 1 3 5 6 . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

White could try a placement somewhat like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm61 $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . X X X , . . . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . 1 . . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

...which aims for this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . X X X , . . . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O X 9 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . X X O O 8 . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . X X X O X 2 4 7 O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . W O O O O 1 3 5 6 . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

...where white is ahead on liberties. But, black has a ladder, in spite of the apparent ladder breaker:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . 7 0 . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . 3 6 8 9 . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . X X X 2 4 5 . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O X O 1 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . X X O O X . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . X X X O X X X O O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . W O O O O O O O X . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 5 8 9 . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 4 6 7 W . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O 2 3 . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . X O O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . X X X O O X . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O X O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . X X O O X . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . X X X O X X X O O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . W O O O O O O O X . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X 4 X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O 2 3 . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X O X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X W . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O O X . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . X O O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . X X X O O X . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O X O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . X X O O X . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . X X X O X X X O O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . W O O O O O O O X . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:52 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm61 $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . 3 X X X , . . . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . 1 . . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

Trigger:

Write up to follow.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:57 am

My compliments to my opponent for making this a very interesting game.
:bow:

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:14 am

Oh dear God, Joaz is not going to not block is he? I would bet on the marked black stones dying before the marked white ones. And d16 could even get into trouble.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm64 $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . 5 . . 8 . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . W B B B , . . . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . W W W 1 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . 3 2 O . . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:21 am

I almost reflexively blocked. But then I asked myself: what if I let him through?

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If feels really DDKish, but it is hard to see how white gets a win here. :twisted:

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:59 pm

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For observers:

My opponent's last play was rather clever. It is superficially aji keshi, but it reserves a crucial spot for at eye at 'a'.
I don't have time to post all of the relevant diagrams ( hopefully white has done that in one of his hidden posts ) but suffice to say that by playing in the circled spots, white does one of three things:
1) He makes two eyes
2) He slices through at 'b', leaving me two groups to defend.
3) I defend in gote as he escapes, and he gets to tenuki to the top.

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So I'm going to play a crude, DDK, territory grabbing move. When the smoke clears, I'm ahead in territory: I have about 20 points on the left, and 20-25 points in each of the right corners, for a total of about 65.
He has about 20 in the upper left ( if he plays there first ), maybe 15 in the lower left, and about 15 on the right for a total of about 50.

Playing B12 not only takes territory, but it takes some of the eye space that he was counting on, thereby renewing threats to kill. Now, if I push through at J9, he dies unless he can connect northward on the F file.

I hope to have dual threats of killing F9 by pushing through around F14, and killing K17 by connecting to H17.

Even if none of this comes to pass, all I have to do is turn much of the center into dame, and I'm ahead going into yose.

Trigger for Drmwc:

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:12 am

Trigger accepted. My write up and move will follow!

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drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:55 am

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Long-promised write up!

So, I outlined the aji against Black's lower group in my earlier post. None of that aji seemed particularly immediate. So Joaz's choice of 62 was a little surprising - it eliminates aji I can't actually use yet.

My expectation was that 62 would have been played at the top. I think playing at the top was the best move. However, 62 threatened a cut, so was sort of sente, and patched up some aji, whilst taking territory. So if it was a mistake, it was a small mistake.

Then 63 was supposed to be a quick sente bodge on my part. I was reluctant to play it, since it's slight aji keshi.

For example,

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White 63 argubably made my group a little weaker since I lose options like the above. However, if black answered my plan was to play this:

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I planned to probe at 3. The 1-2 exchange may be useful in some lines where black tries to cut, which is why I decided the appriopriate time for 1-2 was now.

If black replies at 4, I've protected the cut in sente so get the big point at the top. So black may consider alternative moves to 4 e.g.

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This line keeps the cut active for black, so it's probably prudent to finally connect. Next I have gained moves such as the marked move, which appears to makes miai of a and b. This may casue black some issues, so I may get first move at the top here as well.

Obviously, black didn't actually reply to 63 with the block I expected. The actual move takes a bit of territory, and strengthens black a bit, so it has some good qualities. However, pushing through with 65 is satisfying. Although it deosn't appear to take immediate territory, it indirectly strengthens me whilst weakening black.

I once read that Go is largely a topological game. It's a sentiment I agree with. 64 as played ignored an obvious connection, and so feels unnatural whilst going against the topological aspect of the game.

One upshot of these topological concerns is that my central moyo is potentially getting bigger. I will give a diagram whic demonstraes this.

I have played 67 to give the same choice as outlined above, and hopefully connect my bits in sente.

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This shows why puching through black-s shape helps me in the centre. I gain some forcing moves which have value and suddenly as moyo appears. .. (The marked stone is the last move here).

This sequence is clearly a little optimistic for me - black can counter-attack in various ways at various points. But it illistrated my belief that 64 as played was a mistake and lets me catch up a little more. (62, in contrast, wasn't clearly a mistake, and lost a negilible amount).

If black answers 1 at 2 as above, I won't go for the moyo option immiedately. Instead, I will play as shown:

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I will capture at the top and await developments. I am behind, but the gap is closing.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:26 pm

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We are still jostling for the opportunity to be the first to play up top...

Part of the strength of white's previous move was that it allowed 6 at 'a' to kill the cutting stones. My move renews the threat to cut by preventing 'a', and strengthens the gap at 'bb':

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He could tenuki to the top, but I can get some nicely placed stones which make running the gauntlet through 'cc' very unlikely.

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Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:22 pm

For observers:

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:17 am

Sorry for the delay in moving. I was on a stag do on Saturday, and by a strange coincidence, felt a little under the weather on Sunday...

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:33 pm

Here is some of my assessment of the current position

1) If he gets cut off at J9, he cannot connect northward along the 'F' file. I assume that 'a' and 'b' are miai, and that if he gets one, I can take the other and hold it.
In some lines this gets tricky, as my center group then loses the possibility of connecting westward to D14. But I've got the entire center of the board to run to, and I've not seen a line that doesn't allow me either more liberties or a connection to M17.

2) He can't get two eyes. Indeed, he can't even get one if I really try hard to prevent it. ( Although trying to hold him to zero eyes allows him to push into my territory around 'c'.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . b . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . a . X . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X X X , . . . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O B . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O . . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . c . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

So I think that he has to connect around 'd':

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X X X , . . . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O d . f . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . d O . . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O X e . . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

He would, of course, like to play a connecting move in sente around 'e', but I don't see any that work. So my conclusion is that he has to connect in gote.

My natural move is then 'f', although I have not made sure that it works.

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:53 am

If white wants to connect to the top he could try the shape below rather than just one point jump. Black can still cut this with a/b but white isolates the left black group in sente (so c likely becomes sente which means the d6 area aji awakens) and can fight on the outside.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ ----------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . X . O . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . a . X 4 . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . X . b 3 1 2 . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . c . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X X X , . . . . O , O . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O . . . X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . X X X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . O . O . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . O O . O X X . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------[/go]

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