Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?

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Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?

Post by Darsey »

Hi.

I lost a game because I read so bad one sicho... It isn't new for me, I usually lose games because there are some figure as ladder. ANd I said that the ladder boycott my games because I lose sente to answer a false ladder-breaker or I play bad answer to ladder-breaker (I usually try no close sicho and try play in a wake of the breaker).

If I had a good english, I can comment more position where I lose because a wild sicho appreared. But I lose to read bad sicho, I make a lot of errors but the most important is with ladder.


I am not afraid, but I want be good when I fight which a some ladder.

This game is the last that I lost for my problem with reading sicho (althought I know that I go to fail, I wanted try it because when I see my fail, it was so later).

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Post by EdLee »

Hi Darsey,

:w10: joseki is J17.

:w18: this cut is too early. Just B3.

:b19: B3.

:b27: B2.
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Re: Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?

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Darsey wrote:... a wild sicho appreared.
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Oh... thanks for show my errors.

I say "wild sicho appeared" thinking in pokémon :P



I was searching tsumegos and things to study:

http://senseis.xmp.net/?LadderProblemsAndExercises
http://senseis.xmp.net/?LongestLadderProblem


But, where can I find more?
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Re: Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?

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Hi Darsey, RJ answered your question here: http://lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=11019 .
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Oh, very thanks.
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Maybe you'll enjoy this one:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . O . X X . O . X . O . X X . O . X |
$$ | . O . . O O . . O . O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X |
$$ | X O . . . O . . O O O . . O . . . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X X X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . O |
$$ | . O . . . O X . O . O . X O . . . O . |
$$ | X . O X X O X O . X . O X O X X O . X |
$$ | . O . . . O X . O . O . X O . . . O . |
$$ | O . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X X X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . O . . O O O . . O . . . O X |
$$ | X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . O . . O O . . O . O . . O O . . O . |
$$ | X . O . X X . O . X . O . X X . O . X |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: Where can i find difficult sicho (ladder)?

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logan wrote:Maybe you'll enjoy this one:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . O . X X . O . X . O . X X . O . X |
$$ | . O . . O O . . O . O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X |
$$ | X O . . . O . . O O O . . O . . . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X X X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . O |
$$ | . O . . . O X . O . O . X O . . . O . |
$$ | X . O X X O X O . X . O X O X X O . X |
$$ | . O . . . O X . O . O . X O . . . O . |
$$ | O . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X X X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . O . . O O O . . O . . . O X |
$$ | X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . O . . O O . . O . O . . O O . . O . |
$$ | X . O . X X . O . X . O . X X . O . X |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Post by Bill Spight »

Here is another one. :)



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Noriyuki Nakayama's "The Treasure Chest Enigma" has a whole section dedicated to long ladders with bends, switchbacks, etc. Since this is also, IMO, one of the greatest go books ever published, I very much recommend it.
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HermanHiddema wrote:Noriyuki Nakayama's "The Treasure Chest Enigma" has a whole section dedicated to long ladders with bends, switchbacks, etc. Since this is also, IMO, one of the greatest go books ever published, I very much recommend it.

IMO I just don't picture The Treasure Chest Enigma as having reached the same greatness as Xuanxuan Qijing.
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tchan001 wrote:
HermanHiddema wrote:Noriyuki Nakayama's "The Treasure Chest Enigma" has a whole section dedicated to long ladders with bends, switchbacks, etc. Since this is also, IMO, one of the greatest go books ever published, I very much recommend it.

IMO I just don't picture The Treasure Chest Enigma as having reached the same greatness as Xuanxuan Qijing.


That is another book I'd put in the same category. I enjoyed John Fairbairn's e-Book version very much. I'd find it hard to say which is better. They are different, but both are certainly among the greatest go books ever published.
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logan wrote:Maybe you'll enjoy this one:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . O . X X . O . X . O . X X . O . X |
$$ | . O . . O O . . O . O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X |
$$ | X O . . . O . . O O O . . O . . . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X X X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . O |
$$ | . O . . . O X . O . O . X O . . . O . |
$$ | X . O X X O X O . X . O X O X X O . X |
$$ | . O . . . O X . O . O . X O . . . O . |
$$ | O . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O . X X X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . O . . O O O . . O . . . O X |
$$ | X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . O . . O O . . O . O . . O O . . O . |
$$ | X . O . X X . O . X . O . X X . O . X |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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This problem is actually realatibely simple; you should still count the number of times you had to restart. I had one at every star point, but since the ladder was unbranching, I never had to restart from the beginning.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
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$$ | O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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