I played good or I was lucky?

Darsey · Post by **Darsey** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 2:01 pm

This game is from OGS, I played some days ago (i am black). I thought that I did a good game, what do you think?

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:00 pm

Hi Darsey,

:b7:

E16. (See

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drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:08 am

At around move 187, you are around 40 points behind. If, around this point, white had protected the big group lower right, you would have had no chance. So you were definitely lucky.

However, to win any game of Go, one needs to be lucky. The skill is in spotting that you have been lucky! You dispatached the group when it was presented to you, and so beat someone 7 stones stronger in an even game. Well done!

skydyr · Post by **skydyr** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:43 pm

One thought in the bottom left, before move 219:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | X X X . . . . . . $$ | X O . X X . . . . $$ | O 2 O O X X . . . $$ | . 1 . O O X . . . $$ | . . . O X X . . . $$ | . 3 . O O X . . . $$ | . . . O X X . . . $$ ------------------[/go]

Does this work? Seems like black gets seki/ko at worst to me.

Darsey · Post by **Darsey** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:00 am

Very thanks to all.

EdLee, your commentary is good because I didn't see until he punished me. It was a important move.

drmwv, I know that I was behind in a lot of points, but when I see that I could kill his rocks, I did

skydyr, I can promise that I couldn't imagine make moves as your say until that I read you. I will try find situations like that, because I had not crossed his mind such movements.

Akura · Post by **Akura** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:30 am

@skydyr:

What about this?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | X X X . . . . . . $$ | X O . X X . . . . $$ | O . O O X X . . . $$ | . 1 . O O X . . . $$ | . 2 . O X X . . . $$ | . . . O O X . . . $$ | . . . O X X . . . $$ ------------------[/go]

White lives, I think.

Edit: Still worth a lot of points though.

skydyr · Post by **skydyr** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:37 am

Darsey wrote:skydyr, I can promise that I couldn't imagine make moves as your say until that I read you. I will try find situations like that, because I had not crossed his mind such movements.

In this case, the key is that white is sealed in and has few outside liberties and an open undivided eyespace. Even if you don't find anything, it's worth spending 30 seconds or a minute thinking about moves on the inside to see if they can get you more than the other way. If you do, play it when you think it's worth it, and if you don't, maybe you've at least found some good ko threats.

headless · Post by **headless** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:59 am

A short comment on the game:
The move 101 seems very bad. O14 was much better than Q8. Basically, we need to play around the weaker group at first.

mmmd · Post by **mmmd** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:05 pm

skydyr wrote:One thought in the bottom left, before move 219:

$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | X X X . . . . . .
$$ | X O . X X . . . .
$$ | O 2 O O X X . . .
$$ | . 1 . O O X . . .
$$ | . . . O X X . . .
$$ | . 3 . O O X . . .
$$ | . . . O X X . . .
$$ ------------------

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | X X X . . . . . . $$ | X O . X X . . . . $$ | O 2 O O X X . . . $$ | . 1 . O O X . . . $$ | . . . O X X . . . $$ | . 3 . O O X . . . $$ | . . . O X X . . . $$ ------------------[/go]

Does this work? Seems like black gets seki/ko at worst to me.

I think B3 actually works, but maybe i overlooked something.

right side atari:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | X X X . . . . . . $$ | X O . X X . . . . $$ | O 2 O O X X . . . $$ | . 1 . O O X . . . $$ | 6 4 5 O X X . . . $$ | . 3 . O O X . . . $$ | . . . O X X . . . $$ ------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | X X X . . . . . . $$ | X O 5 X X . . . . $$ | O O O O X X . . . $$ | 2 X 4 O O X . . . $$ | O O X O X X . . . $$ | 1 X 3 O O X . . . $$ | . 6 . O X X . . . $$ ------------------[/go]

left side atari:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | X X X . . . . . . $$ | X O . X X . . . . $$ | O 2 O O X X . . . $$ | . 1 . O O X . . . $$ | 5 4 6 O X X . . . $$ | . 3 . O O X . . . $$ | . . . O X X . . . $$ ------------------[/go]

squeeze with 5 at 2

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | X X X . . . . . . $$ | X O . X X . . . . $$ | O O O O X X . . . $$ | 1 X 4 O O X . . . $$ | X O O O X X . . . $$ | 2 X 6 O O X . . . $$ | 3 . . O X X . . . $$ ------------------[/go]

1 eye versus 0

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | X X X . . . . . . $$ | X O . X X . . . . $$ | O O O O X X . . . $$ | 3 X 4 O O X . . . $$ | X O O O X X . . . $$ | 1 X . O O X . . . $$ | . 2 . O X X . . . $$ ------------------[/go]

Darsey · Post by **Darsey** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:28 am

It is a good analysis

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:44 am

mmmd · Post by **mmmd** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:50 am

Thanks bill! So it is seki, and I missed a snapback again. :oops:

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