#244 Bill vs Ed

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Post by EdLee »

Hi Aidoneus, I just eat here. :)
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[go]$$Wm91
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X . . O . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . 1 . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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EdLee wrote:Hi Aidoneus, I just eat here. :)

OK, maybe Ed Gets Fed (Up)? ;-)

I've got to think about my move in the morning. BTW, I cannot believe how much time I have wasted playing free games on my iPad over this holiday! (Instead of studying my new Go books. I am now a level 19 farmer, woo hoo!) Part of the reason for spending so much time with the iPad, though, is listening to Pandora.

I'm curious, can some of the early hidden comments be revealed? Basically everything that I have written so far can be viewed by you for laughs. And I would think that the early comments by you and outside observers could be revealed now. That way, I might be able to learn some things piecemeal rather than trying to digest everything at one sitting. (See, I'm staying with the culinary theme.)

Good night from me, or perhaps in your case, have a nice breakfast! :)
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Hi Aidoneus,

Level 19 farmer... in a Farming game ? :)

Sometimes, when people feel a previous comment can no longer affect the outcome of the game, they may say so. They may even un-hide it themselves.
I usually take a very conservative approach with kibitz.
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Re: #244 Bill vs Ed

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OK, I can wait to see comments. I don't think that the game will last that much longer anyway. :cry:

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[go]$$Bcm92
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X . . O . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . 1 . . . . . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


To me, this is an incredibly powerful move that squishes my chain against his wall while threatening to cut me up with a move at E11 or (maybe better?) roping in even more territory by playing somewhere around G13. If White plays at G13, now, I think that I will cross-cut with G12. I did consider playing at G13 and relinquishing all of my stones on the left, but I have become rather fond of them.

Wow, though, I was trying to play very carefully and avoid big trouble before I ignored Ed's peep. For just a couple moves there, I thought that I was accomplishing something! In retrospect, I should have either connected with an empty triangle or maybe capped at G15.
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EdLee wrote:Level 19 farmer... in a Farming game ? :)

I am the Eggman. Coo coo ca choo! ;-)
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[go]$$Wm93
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X . . O . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X . . . . . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O 1 . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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For observers:
This sequence seems forced, should black choose to play it...
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[go]$$Bc
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X . . O . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X 1 2 . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O 5 X . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X . . . . . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . O . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X X . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X . . . . . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O 2 . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O 3 . 4 O . . . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O 5 6 . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #244 Bill vs Ed

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@Ed: I was making a(n obscure) joke about Hay Day, a farming game on iPad. Lyrics from I am the Walrus by the Beatles.

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[go]$$Bcm94
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X . . O . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X . . . . . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


My first reaction was to answer with E12 (table shape), but then I saw White can play F14 (a squeeze tesuji?) and I couldn't see any way to squirm out. Similarly, playing F14 myself doesn't save anything as far as I can see. So, bye bye little stones, you'll never grow up into a healthy group. (I want to cry again over not connecting against the peep. :cry:

Reorienting myself to the new situation, I decided to lift my top moyo with this move versus others in the area because it connects G15 and N13 with two large knights moves. If White caps at K12, I can play J9 to lift my other moyo. If White plays J9 instead, I will probably play L8.
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That's the spirit! :)

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Hi Aidoneus,

Thanks for explaining the reference! I had no clue.
Today instead of food, I attach this photo.
I think it's an elegant entrance; OK to view it. :)
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EdLee wrote:Today instead of food, I attach this photo.
I think it's quite an elegant entrance; OK to view the hidden photo. :)


It's very gold. ;-)
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Aidoneus wrote:It's very gold. ;-)
Hmmm, I just used the default camera settings on the iPhone.
I didn't do any white balancing. In real life,
it probably feels much less gold than a warm beige. :)
Gold never even occurred to me until your post. :)

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[go]$$Wm95
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X . . O . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . 1 X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X . . . . . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Hi Aidoneus, I just took a photo to show you the big differences
with another angle: the same wall tiles and floor tiles as the previous photo! OK to view it:
Zero gold: :)
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Re: #244 Bill vs Ed

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm96
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X . . O . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X . . 1 . . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


I wish I could play both J13 AND J15! ;-)
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