The nearly minimal problem

[fanfan]

Er... I still don't get it. For instance, the problem doesn't say that you have to capture the black stone, only make a living group that happens to have a stone at 1-1...

How do you expect to put a white stone on the 1-1 without capturing the black stone which is already on the 1-1?

[fanfan]

@Charlie

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@oca

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$$ | . O X 3 . .
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[MMaestro]

@fanfan:

For that position you end up with, I recommend looking at gengen gokyo

http://eidogo.com/#4rmBZ5MFq

[fanfan]

Hello,

Don't forget that White has to fill the 1-1 point with a white stone to claim victory. That means that if White just try to live on the edge, he has to make 3 eyes (the one at the 1-1 point that he will fill, and two other eyes to live)!

[MMaestro]

Ah I didn't catch that. In that case though, the 3-3 point seems fine:

http://eidogo.com/#Coif89KX

[EdLee]

Forget the word "Beginners". I used the term just to introduce the problem.

It's a key word in your original phrasing.

I agree that it is not the first thing to show to a beginner.

It's not even among the first 100 things to show a beginner.

[fanfan]

It's not even among the first 100 things to show a beginner.

Just a sure way of getting a free drink.

@MMaestro

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[Charlie]

And what's wrong with...

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$$ | 1 . . . . .
$$ | . 2 5 . . .
$$ | . 4 3 . . .
$$ | . 7 6 . . .
$$ | . 9 8 . . .
$$ | . 0 . . . .

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$$ | 1 . . . . .
$$ | . 2 5 . . .
$$ | . 4 3 . . .
$$ | . 7 6 . . .
$$ | . 9 8 . . .
$$ | . 0 . . . .[/go]

Or even playing atari directly at ?

Call me a beginner, I know this isn't pretty, but I cannot believe that white can't get out. The task was to make a living group.

[fanfan]

Call me a beginner, I know this isn't pretty, but I cannot believe that white can't get out. The task was to make a living group.

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$$ | X 1 . . . .
$$ | . O X . . .
$$ | . O X . . .
$$ | . X O . . .
$$ | . X O . . .
$$ | . O . . . .

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[go]$$B
$$ ------------
$$ | X 1 . . . .
$$ | . O X . . .
$$ | . O X . . .
$$ | . X O . . .
$$ | . X O . . .
$$ | . O . . . .[/go]

It seems that Black can live in the corner or escape now. White failed.

Note that I am like you: I don"t know the answer to this problem. I posted it hoping some of you will solve it.

[EdLee]

Just a sure way of getting a free drink.

Oh. You mean swindle.

[Charlie]

Ah. Sorry - I was thinking of as the 1-1 point, not 2-2. I shouldn't post on forums while programming...

[MMaestro]

@fanfan
http://eidogo.com/#1IU7Nhf2j

[fanfan]

@fanfan
http://eidogo.com/#1IU7Nhf2j

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$$ | . 1 O . . . .
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[fanfan]

Oh. You mean swindle.

I'm not like that. They get a free drink in return too.

[EdLee]

I'm not like that. They get a free drink in return too.

Oh, good. The reader has to read a bit between the lines.