#244 Bill vs Ed

Aidoneus · Post by **Aidoneus** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:41 am

Uberdude wrote:This looks like a good position for counting practice.

I think that I am behind about 10 points now. Do you think that I should resign? The saddest lesson from this game was how I was punished both times I tried to tenuki instead of continuing to play on the upper left. There is a reason that I am still a DDK!

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:45 pm

Hi Aidoneus, maybe your counting is better than mine.

I think you should continue to play; you can still change your mind any time later.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:49 pm

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( Local time Wed Dec 24, 2014. 12:49 pm. )

Aidoneus · Post by **Aidoneus** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:48 pm

I can play on, though I feel like Custer waiting for you to display my scalp. :cry:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bm124 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O 1 . . . X O O O . . | $$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:41 am

The things we can learn from a Go forum (or server).

(Thanks to google.)

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:05 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm125 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . | $$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . 1 . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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Aidoneus · Post by **Aidoneus** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:08 pm

It doesn't seem fair that all of your moves are sente and all of mine are gote!

If you now play D2, I play A2. If after those two moves you capture with C1, then I play A4.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bm126 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . | $$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . O 1 . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 12:34 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm127 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . | $$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | 2 O X 1 O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

( Local time Thur Dec 25, 2014. 3:34 pm. )

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 12:42 am

( For beginners. )

:black:

126 atari is a beginner mistake. Common, perhaps.
Locally, just connect with :b1:

is better:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . | $$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . 1 X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . O . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

See also the discussions on :b40:

in this game review.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:08 am

Now that

's lower left corner is finally alive
(thanks in part to :black:

126 atari),
I'm not sure :b6:

is very good shape --
just the honte jump to (a) seems better for :black:

:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . a 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:22 am

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:35 am

I thought

was soft -- a big move, yes, but soft:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 8 X . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . 0 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Instead, if B takes the cash in the corner:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O 1 X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 3 2 O . a . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Then W cannot allow B to peep at (a) -- that'd be unbearable for W.

Aidoneus · Post by **Aidoneus** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 7:56 am

Yeah, I should have included that conditional.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bm130 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . | $$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . | $$ | 1 . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | X O X O O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:31 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm131 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . | $$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . | $$ | X . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | X O X O O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:35 pm

Hi Aidoneus, still just connecting directly with :b1:

is better.
These are all tricky: when to connect directly, when to make a tiger's mouth,
when to capture, when not to capture, when to counter-atari, etc. ...

Locally for this corner, from :black:

126 through :black:

130,
it almost feels like you're working so hard to avoid the proper connect with :b1:

.

B is strong here, so the difference between :black:

130 and the solid connect :b1:

is subtle: it has to do with ko threats and maybe other endgame aji.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . | $$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . 1 X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | X O X O O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

( Local time Fri Dec 26, 2014. 11:35 am. )

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