#249 Chiodus vs tj86430

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skydyr wrote:
Chiodus wrote:
EdLee wrote:
Then, :white: has to choose... :)
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Hoping to invade in marked points


@chiodus
Er... one of the points of etiquette of a malkovich game is that you don't look at people's hidden comments that aren't explicitly directed to you until after the game.
Sorry my fault
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@chiodus
No worries. Half the fun is seeing what everyone had to say about your game once it's finished.
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Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430

Post by tj86430 »

Chiodus, it doesn't matter now, but later in the game it may at times be difficult to quickly spot your last move if it's not marked in any way.

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According to plan. Still happy.
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Sorry, i would check better my diagram!

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Let's see where he goes next. Earlier plans are still mostly valid.
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I dont mind doing the same joseki in this corner as well.
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Maybe :white: will decide to mix things up...
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Not much to say about this. I wouldn't want to repeat the same joseki as white, but it seems my opponent does, and I don't mind. The question is what happens after the joseki finishes. I suspect something like this:

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Then I need to decide what to do with the reduction, at least a and b seem to be possible choices.
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A typical move being L10 and not that deep cap.
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Loons wrote:A typical move being L10 and not that deep cap.
tj86430 wrote:Then I need to decide what to do with the reduction, at least a and b seem to be possible choices.
This exact position was discussed years ago by two Chinese pros.
( Most likely, it means also by other pros, over the years. )
TJ's :white: o10 seems too deep indeed; that's not a reduction --
it's a deep invasion, probably an overplay.
TJ's :black: (a) cap seems natural.
( Most likely, the pros' discussions would've included whether :white: at L10 or (a) M10 is OK or not. )
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Ok, as planned
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