No more title tournaments on OGS

TegaiS · Post by **TegaiS** » Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:23 pm

Sad news: https://forums.online-go.com/t/title-tournaments/3124/2.
It's a pity that almost 10-year tradition was ended. And it was the most real way to become a Honinbo.

RBerenguel · Post by **RBerenguel** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:24 am

TegaiS wrote:Sad news: https://forums.online-go.com/t/title-tournaments/3124/2.
It's a pity that almost 10-year tradition was ended. And it was the most real way to become a Honinbo.

Very sad news. Title (and user) tournaments were the main way I was into playing on OGS.

quantumf · Post by **quantumf** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:47 am

Just join an active group, e.g. reddit, and you'll soon be in more tournaments than you can handle.

RBerenguel · Post by **RBerenguel** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:14 am

quantumf wrote:Just join an active group, e.g. reddit, and you'll soon be in more tournaments than you can handle.

I only play 9x9 correspondence on OGS, and there are not that many tournaments with these settings...

Hong Ny · Post by **Hong Ny** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:35 pm

I'm sure that, given time, the Leaderboards will make up for it. (And cool new tournament formats for correspondence will follow to fill the gap!)

oren · Post by **oren** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:56 pm

Hong Ny wrote:I'm sure that, given time, the Leaderboards will make up for it. (And cool new tournament formats for correspondence will follow to fill the gap!)

Looks like DGS is filling the gap.

viewtopic.php?f=61&t=11294

Hong Ny · Post by **Hong Ny** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:17 am

oren wrote:Looks like DGS is filling the gap.

http://lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=11294

Maybe. But then again, old OGS Title Tournaments had over 90% quitting rate, and an extremely higher number of people complained about them, compared to the supporters.

I will wait for a (better) compensation on OGS.

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:10 am

Hong Ny wrote:
oren wrote:Looks like DGS is filling the gap.

http://lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=11294

Maybe. But then again, old OGS Title Tournaments had over 90% quitting rate, and an extremely higher number of people complained about them, compared to the supporters.

I will wait for a (better) compensation on OGS.

As an old OGS user who played in quite a number of tournaments, I am a bit skeptical of the 90% quitting rate and "extremely higher number of people" complaining compared to the supporters. Of course, I've stopped playing in tournaments after the max timer was decreased to 3 days to speed them up, which could very well cause a large increase in abandonment rates.

RBerenguel · Post by **RBerenguel** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:26 am

illluck wrote:
Hong Ny wrote:
oren wrote:Looks like DGS is filling the gap.

viewtopic.php?f=61&t=11294

Maybe. But then again, old OGS Title Tournaments had over 90% quitting rate, and an extremely higher number of people complained about them, compared to the supporters.

I will wait for a (better) compensation on OGS.

As an old OGS user who played in quite a number of tournaments, I am a bit skeptical of the 90% quitting rate and "extremely higher number of people" complaining compared to the supporters. Of course, I've stopped playing in tournaments after the max timer was decreased to 3 days to speed them up, which could very well cause a large increase in abandonment rates.

I can only comment on 9x9 tournaments, and I think the quitting rate was less than 15-30% in all I've played.

TegaiS · Post by **TegaiS** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:37 am

I made a request to continue the title tournaments here. May be the devs will change their mind if there will be enough votes.

The other option is to manage the tournaments by ourselves. But that will be difficult.

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:05 pm

It does seem a shame to lose the title matches. It's not really clear to me that the leaderboards are equivalent - it seems likely to me that tournaments will be a lot smaller than the title tournaments. For example, currently the largest by sign ups is 27 players. (I am ignoring the quick tournaments.) This is significantly fewer than a title match would attract.

bayu · Post by **bayu** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:56 pm

Hong Ny wrote:
Maybe. But then again, old OGS Title Tournaments had over 90% quitting rate, and an extremely higher number of people complained about them, compared to the supporters.

I will wait for a (better) compensation on OGS.

There was no 90% quitting rate at old OGS. It was a smooth experience. On new OGS it felt like a quitting rate of 50%.

Many newcomers signed up but never returned to the server. And people from old OGS got frustrated maybe because holidays didn't always work properly, bugs in the elimination algorithm got later rounds completely screwed, handicap games were set up without handicap, the league was silently turned into a simultanous macmahon, people got the wrong number of macmahon points for their wins (still happening, nobody replied so far to the post in the ogs-forum) or other reasons.

Maybe in a year's time, quality will be sufficient. So far, the sitewide tournaments didn't get the love of the mods they deserve. I really hope the new ones do, or they wont take off.

gamesorry · Post by **gamesorry** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:09 pm

I have created an OGS Title Tournaments group https://online-go.com/group/515 and I plan to manually hold the Title tournaments in case the official ones stopped. You're all welcome to join!

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:51 pm

Well, as the former winner of many of the 19x19 title tournaments, this a big disappointment to me and means I have little incentive to ever go back to OGS. The old OGS title tournaments didn't have 90% dropout, at my level it was probably under 5%. I expect the big dropout is because the title tournaments on nova OGS have/had so many bugs and the developers don't seem to care about them, and also many real-time players will join and quit them because they don't appreciate correspondence go.

gamesorry · Post by **gamesorry** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:53 am

Uberdude wrote:Well, as the former winner of many of the 19x19 title tournaments, this a big disappointment to me and means I have little incentive to ever go back to OGS. The old OGS title tournaments didn't have 90% dropout, at my level it was probably under 5%. I expect the big dropout is because the title tournaments on nova OGS have/had so many bugs and the developers don't seem to care about them, and also many real-time players will join and quit them because they don't appreciate correspondence go.

That's what I was thinking as well

On the other hand, I'm trying to restore the title tournaments in a manual way, and you are more than welcome to join the group and tournaments (https://online-go.com/group/515)! A good sign is that there have been 110+ players (including 20+ dan-level players) registered in the upcoming Meijin Main Title tournament (https://online-go.com/tournament/4494), which shows that the title tournaments are still attractive to most players

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