2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
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Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
I don't like B4. The slide doesn't make sense when the extension is already taken away. It gives Black the corner without giving you a base. I would tenuki or dive into corner.
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Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
I'm not really stronger than you, so take it with a grain of salt : )
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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[Jedo]
PW[RedStick]
DT[2010-06-22]
PC[The KGS Go Server at <!-- m --><A class="postlink" href="http://www.gokgs.com/">http://www.gokgs.com/</A><!-- m -->]
KM[6.5]
TM[1800]
RU[Japanese]
RE[B+12.50]
BR[4k]
WR[6k]
OT[5x60 byo-yomi]CA[UTF-8];B[pd]
C[Jedo [4k\]: have a good game]
BL[1796.132];W[dc]
C[RedStick [6k\]: you too.]
WL[1794.417];B[qp]BL[1789.491];W[oq]WL[1781.454];B[pn]BL[1772.107]
(;W[lq]
C[SoDesuNe:
I think this is too passiv, when neglecting to play in a corner. \
Black can play Q3 later on which results in bad shape for White. \
Furthermore while Black has potential development on the right \
side due to his fourth line stone on Q6, your potential development \
is rather small due to the third line.
See variation.]
WL[1720.985];B[dp]BL[1768.66];W[cn]WL[1684.952];B[fq]BL[1758.88];W[ci]WL[1679.658];B[cl]BL[1744.368];W[bp]
C[SoDesuNe:
I would not make this exchange. If you just jump out, you can \
still invade the 3*3 later on.]
WL[1667.841];B[cq]BL[1740.138];W[en]WL[1654.614]
;B[el]BL[1735.208]
(;W[gn]
C[SoDesuNe:
Your idea of surrounding his bottom left group is good, but I \
think you should also be aware off what the Mini-Chinese-Fuseki \
is about (my opinion ^^). You are building up a framework, which \
purpose lays in inviting your opponent to invade. Then he will \
be at a disadvantage because he can't make a bases there. You're \
task should be to benefit from his struggle for life.
See variation.]
WL[1636.007];B[gl]BL[1707.233];W[in]WL[1547.146];B[il]BL[1684.002];W[hq]WL[1532.728];B[de]BL[1677.184]
(;W[ce]
C[SoDesuNe:
He's jumping into your pincer, don't make him strong!
See variation.]
WL[1510.439];B[cf]BL[1654.704];W[cd]WL[1506.556];B[df]BL[1644.848];W[fc]WL[1489.413];B[ei]BL[1636.54];W[qi]
C[SoDesuNe:
Black's bottom left group is in mortal danger, don't let him \
play B3 for life! If you kill this group the game is over.]
WL[1474.941];B[qk]BL[1628.606];W[qf]WL[1467.619]
;B[nc]BL[1625.299];W[rd]WL[1443.765];B[qc]BL[1622.641];W[oi]
C[SoDesuNe:
You are fine here. B3 is urgent, R3 is huge.]
WL[1421.047];B[dm]BL[1619.257];W[dn]WL[1417.06];B[ge]BL[1603.888];W[hd]WL[1367.859];B[jc]BL[1594.735];W[he]
C[SoDesuNe:
You should ask yourself what Aji C11 has (like threatening to \
connect with B13 and B9 making at least one eye). By pushing \
Black from behind, you're killing most of this Aji and you don't \
gain anything. Urgent B3, huge R3.]
WL[1350.282]
;B[gf]BL[1591.686];W[hf]WL[1333.273];B[hg]BL[1582.484];W[gg]
C[SoDesuNe:
Yeah, overplay I guess.]
WL[1293.098];B[hh]BL[1577.275];W[lc]WL[1270.817];B[je]BL[1556.802];W[le]WL[1239.119];B[lb]BL[1539.371];W[kb]WL[1220.308]
;B[gd]BL[1530.046];W[gc]WL[1217.232];B[hc]BL[1503.904];W[ic]WL[1187.63];B[id]BL[1491.401];W[hb]WL[1162.898];B[if]BL[1483.54];W[fg]
C[SoDesuNe:
Hm, the top is more urgent. Connecting at K18 threatens to play \
S17 to put this Black group in mortal danger, too.]
WL[1156.038];B[ef]BL[1445.036];W[ig]WL[1129.805]
;B[jg]BL[1421.934];W[om]
C[SoDesuNe:
Despite being a ladder breaker, this move accomplishes less for the moment (Moyo is good but killing or threatening groups is better : D). \
B3, R3 or K18.]
WL[1107.755];B[ih]BL[1412.99];W[on]WL[1103.048];B[po]BL[1410.166];W[oo]WL[1096.608];B[ho]BL[1400.831];W[hn]WL[1089.38];B[km]BL[1398.274];W[jm]WL[1083.889]
;B[jl]BL[1391.7];W[kn]WL[1068.456];B[kk]BL[1382.884];W[lm]WL[1061.886];B[jq]BL[1374.71];W[io]WL[1056.115];B[hr]BL[1371.942];W[ir]
C[SoDesuNe:
Wrong side, this give him what he wants. But you should have \
resolved this corner much earlier.]
WL[951.167];B[gr]BL[1331.597];W[iq]WL[945.697]
;B[mb]BL[1326.425]
(;W[of]
C[SoDesuNe:
His corner is alive, so your move is pretty small. R3 is the \
biggest move, I think. B3 is still threatening by the way.
See variation.
END OF COMMENTS.]
WL[903.765];B[ne]BL[1307.46];W[nf]WL[898.211];B[me]BL[1302.885];W[mf]WL[895.598];B[lf]BL[1301.464];W[lg]WL[893.94];B[kf]BL[1300.034];W[jb]WL[892.458]
;B[kc]BL[1289.416];W[oe]WL[875.97];B[od]BL[1281.618];W[pm]WL[856.696];B[qm]BL[1278.627];W[pp]WL[839.236];B[qq]BL[1253.507];W[qn]WL[828.153];B[qo]BL[1250.262];W[ql]WL[825.935]
;B[rn]BL[1232.208];W[rl]WL[815.099];B[pr]BL[1222.139];W[or]WL[809.903];B[bf]BL[1218.556];W[eh]WL[794.908];B[dh]BL[1203.756];W[hk]WL[773.886];B[hl]BL[1172.539];W[lj]WL[770.199]
;B[lk]BL[1156.019];W[mj]WL[766.086];B[ac]BL[1133.679];W[bc]WL[745.201];B[ad]BL[1130.362];W[ae]WL[731.092];B[be]BL[1123.317];W[ab]WL[718.088];B[af]BL[1120.992];W[bb]WL[710.292]
;B[mk]BL[1078.161];W[nk]WL[703.162];B[ll]BL[1066.381];W[nl]WL[693.184];B[mm]BL[1058.659];W[ln]WL[689.932];B[ml]BL[1053.014];W[mn]WL[687.857];B[rc]BL[1044.857];W[qe]WL[655.947]
;B[lh]BL[1021.757];W[mh]WL[640.271];B[kg]BL[1017.353];W[jj]WL[622.73];B[kj]BL[1008.931];W[ki]WL[620.482];B[li]BL[998.753];W[mi]WL[580.135];B[mg]BL[991.307];W[ng]WL[578.544]
;B[is]BL[981.762];W[js]WL[575.149];B[hs]BL[979.597];W[jr]WL[573.617];B[bq]BL[974.797];W[gq]WL[566.886];B[er]BL[969.2];W[fi]WL[556.497];B[ej]BL[950.927];W[fk]WL[536.616]
;B[fm]BL[936.903];W[fn]WL[505.76];B[ek]BL[921.647];W[di]WL[490.535];B[eg]BL[906.339];W[fh]WL[485.601];B[fj]BL[887.62];W[gi]WL[470.958];B[hi]BL[860.336];W[kh]WL[464.193]
;B[lg]BL[852.125];W[jk]WL[462.315];B[kl]BL[843.378];W[gk]WL[417.518];B[gj]BL[817.976];W[ch]WL[393.836];B[dg]BL[812.928];W[bm]WL[381.933];B[bl]BL[809.788];W[cp]WL[360.436]
;B[ap]BL[796.75];W[bo]WL[346.085];B[pq]BL[788.145];W[op]WL[332.111];B[sm]BL[782.256];W[rm]WL[321.357];B[sl]BL[762.055];W[sk]WL[302.971];B[sn]BL[756.824];W[rk]WL[299.188]
;B[sd]BL[721.983];W[se]WL[296.017];B[sc]BL[720.507];W[ep]WL[290.355];B[eq]BL[705.535];W[fp]WL[287.063];B[im]BL[695.934];W[jn]WL[269.286];B[qd]BL[692.628];W[re]WL[264.676]
;B[am]BL[675.007];W[an]WL[262.105];B[al]BL[671.92];W[qn]WL[258.745];B[rp]BL[663.791];W[ao]WL[247.984];B[pe]BL[645.904];W[pf]WL[242.244];B[aq]BL[630.297];W[do]WL[237.665]
;B[dq]BL[622.673];W[ps]WL[233.023];B[qs]BL[619.946];W[os]WL[224.286];B[nm]BL[610.176];W[nn]WL[219.172];B[ed]BL[606.055];W[ec]WL[208.097];B[ka]BL[599.25];W[ja]
C[Shadonra [1d\]: bottom right is seki..]
WL[203.783]
;B[la]BL[597.242];W[em]
C[redundant [4k\]: what sequence?Shadonra [1d\]: wtf i'm 1dShadonra \
[1d\]: start with s2redundant [4k\]: i got thatShadonra [1d\]: s2 \
r2 s3Shadonra [1d\]: er, t3Shadonra [1d\]: sorry]
WL[163.845];B[gm]BL[565.924];W[cm]WL[150.394];B[dl]
C[redundant [4k\]: after t3 t4]
BL[562.686];W[bd]WL[125.935];B[ie]
C[Shadonra [1d\]: s5 capture s1]
BL[555.814];W[hc]
C[Shadonra [1d\]: actually, no need for s5, just s1Shadonra [1d\]: \
oh there's a ko]
WL[122.829];B[ae]BL[524.351];W[fd]WL[117.97]
;B[fe]
C[dfan [3k\]: No ko if you play S5 first, right?]
BL[509];W[dd]WL[112.025];B[ee]
C[Shadonra [1d\]: still ko]
BL[505.636];W[sr]
C[redundant [4k\]: noperedundant [4k\]: for white hereShadonra [1d\]: \
alive, double koShadonra [1d\]: er, alive w/o double ko]
WL[83.981];B[sq]
C[redundant [4k\]: more fun to live with double ko, thoughShadonra \
[1d\]: no it isnt, you'll lose every other ko]
BL[416.755];W[rs]
C[Shadonra [1d\]: ok, it's sekioShadonra [1d\]: that's seki with \
a ko, btwredundant [4k\]: or black can double ko and live]
WL[53.65];B[qr]BL[345.669];W[so]
C[Shadonra [1d\]: noperedundant [4k\]: how?redundant [4k\]: beforeShadonra \
[1d\]: i dunnoShadonra [1d\]: i think i misread that]
WL[49.989];B[ro]BL[292.424];W[rr]WL[42.518]
;B[qm]
C[Shadonra [1d\]: hmm, ko threatsShadonra [1d\]: i think w has more]
BL[278.685];W[fl]WL[18.277];B[ik]BL[270.405];W[qn]WL[13.831];B[nj]
C[Shadonra [1d\]: not a threatredundant [4k\]: b wins]
BL[263.546];W[qm]WL[60]OW[3];B[oj]BL[243.093];W[ol]
C[Jedo [4k\]: yeah, bad ko threat <IMG src="./images/smilies/icon_razz.gif" \
alt=":P" title="Razz">]
WL[60]OW[3];B[tt]BL[206.567];W[tt]
C[RedStick [6k\]: good game. Jedo [4k\]: thanks for the gameRedStick \
[6k\]: congtrats on the series. Jedo [4k\]: thanksJedo [4k\]: it \
was a lot of funJedo [4k\]: what was the correct response at the \
end? or did that have to be seki?RedStick [6k\]: i still can't \
effectivey reduceRedStick [6k\]: not sure.]
TB[gs][fs][es][ds][cs][bs][as][fr][dr][cr][br][ar][fl][jk][hk][gk][fk][dk][ck][bk][ak][jj][ij][hj][dj][cj][bj][aj][ki][ji][ii][gi][fi][di][ci][bi][ai][kh][jh][gh][fh][eh][ch][bh][ah][ig][gg][fg][cg][bg][ag][jf][ff][le][ke][nd][md][ld][kd][jd][pc][oc][mc][lc][sb][rb][qb][pb][ob][nb][sa][ra][qa][pa][oa][na][ma]
TW[ns][ms][ls][ks][nr][mr][lr][kr][nq][mq][kq][jq][np][mp][lp][kp][jp][ip][hp][gp][no][mo][lo][ko][jo][ho][go][fo][eo][co][bn][pl][qk][pk][ok][sj][rj][qj][pj][oj][nj][si][ri][pi][ni][sh][rh][qh][ph][oh][nh][sg][rg][qg][pg][og][sf][rf][cc][ib][gb][fb][eb][db][cb][ia][ha][ga][fa][ea][da][ca][ba][aa]
WL[60]OW[3])
(;W[bq];B[br];W[dr];B[cr];W[eq];B[ep];W[fr]
C[SoDesuNe:
No easy life. With F1, D1 or D3 you can play a Ko.]
))
(;W[fd];B[cc];W[cb];B[cd];W[bb];B[cg];W[ei]
C[SoDesuNe:
Maybe this?]
))
(;W[fm];B[fl];W[gl]
C[SoDesuNe:
I would play more agressively. But here you have to be careful, \
because of your B4-C3 exchange you might be struggling for life, \
too, in the end.]
))
(;W[qq];B[rq];W[pp];B[qo];W[qr]
C[SoDesuNe:
Maybe this way? White is solid, if Black takes the corner White \
splits the right side, threatening to either approach the Hoshi \
or taking the base of Black's bottom right group.]
MA[qj]))[/sgf-full]
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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[Jedo]
PW[RedStick]
DT[2010-06-22]
PC[The KGS Go Server at <!-- m --><A class="postlink" href="http://www.gokgs.com/">http://www.gokgs.com/</A><!-- m -->]
KM[6.5]
TM[1800]
RU[Japanese]
RE[B+12.50]
BR[4k]
WR[6k]
OT[5x60 byo-yomi]CA[UTF-8];B[pd]
C[Jedo [4k\]: have a good game]
BL[1796.132];W[dc]
C[RedStick [6k\]: you too.]
WL[1794.417];B[qp]BL[1789.491];W[oq]WL[1781.454];B[pn]BL[1772.107]
(;W[lq]
C[SoDesuNe:
I think this is too passiv, when neglecting to play in a corner. \
Black can play Q3 later on which results in bad shape for White. \
Furthermore while Black has potential development on the right \
side due to his fourth line stone on Q6, your potential development \
is rather small due to the third line.
See variation.]
WL[1720.985];B[dp]BL[1768.66];W[cn]WL[1684.952];B[fq]BL[1758.88];W[ci]WL[1679.658];B[cl]BL[1744.368];W[bp]
C[SoDesuNe:
I would not make this exchange. If you just jump out, you can \
still invade the 3*3 later on.]
WL[1667.841];B[cq]BL[1740.138];W[en]WL[1654.614]
;B[el]BL[1735.208]
(;W[gn]
C[SoDesuNe:
Your idea of surrounding his bottom left group is good, but I \
think you should also be aware off what the Mini-Chinese-Fuseki \
is about (my opinion ^^). You are building up a framework, which \
purpose lays in inviting your opponent to invade. Then he will \
be at a disadvantage because he can't make a bases there. You're \
task should be to benefit from his struggle for life.
See variation.]
WL[1636.007];B[gl]BL[1707.233];W[in]WL[1547.146];B[il]BL[1684.002];W[hq]WL[1532.728];B[de]BL[1677.184]
(;W[ce]
C[SoDesuNe:
He's jumping into your pincer, don't make him strong!
See variation.]
WL[1510.439];B[cf]BL[1654.704];W[cd]WL[1506.556];B[df]BL[1644.848];W[fc]WL[1489.413];B[ei]BL[1636.54];W[qi]
C[SoDesuNe:
Black's bottom left group is in mortal danger, don't let him \
play B3 for life! If you kill this group the game is over.]
WL[1474.941];B[qk]BL[1628.606];W[qf]WL[1467.619]
;B[nc]BL[1625.299];W[rd]WL[1443.765];B[qc]BL[1622.641];W[oi]
C[SoDesuNe:
You are fine here. B3 is urgent, R3 is huge.]
WL[1421.047];B[dm]BL[1619.257];W[dn]WL[1417.06];B[ge]BL[1603.888];W[hd]WL[1367.859];B[jc]BL[1594.735];W[he]
C[SoDesuNe:
You should ask yourself what Aji C11 has (like threatening to \
connect with B13 and B9 making at least one eye). By pushing \
Black from behind, you're killing most of this Aji and you don't \
gain anything. Urgent B3, huge R3.]
WL[1350.282]
;B[gf]BL[1591.686];W[hf]WL[1333.273];B[hg]BL[1582.484];W[gg]
C[SoDesuNe:
Yeah, overplay I guess.]
WL[1293.098];B[hh]BL[1577.275];W[lc]WL[1270.817];B[je]BL[1556.802];W[le]WL[1239.119];B[lb]BL[1539.371];W[kb]WL[1220.308]
;B[gd]BL[1530.046];W[gc]WL[1217.232];B[hc]BL[1503.904];W[ic]WL[1187.63];B[id]BL[1491.401];W[hb]WL[1162.898];B[if]BL[1483.54];W[fg]
C[SoDesuNe:
Hm, the top is more urgent. Connecting at K18 threatens to play \
S17 to put this Black group in mortal danger, too.]
WL[1156.038];B[ef]BL[1445.036];W[ig]WL[1129.805]
;B[jg]BL[1421.934];W[om]
C[SoDesuNe:
Despite being a ladder breaker, this move accomplishes less for the moment (Moyo is good but killing or threatening groups is better : D). \
B3, R3 or K18.]
WL[1107.755];B[ih]BL[1412.99];W[on]WL[1103.048];B[po]BL[1410.166];W[oo]WL[1096.608];B[ho]BL[1400.831];W[hn]WL[1089.38];B[km]BL[1398.274];W[jm]WL[1083.889]
;B[jl]BL[1391.7];W[kn]WL[1068.456];B[kk]BL[1382.884];W[lm]WL[1061.886];B[jq]BL[1374.71];W[io]WL[1056.115];B[hr]BL[1371.942];W[ir]
C[SoDesuNe:
Wrong side, this give him what he wants. But you should have \
resolved this corner much earlier.]
WL[951.167];B[gr]BL[1331.597];W[iq]WL[945.697]
;B[mb]BL[1326.425]
(;W[of]
C[SoDesuNe:
His corner is alive, so your move is pretty small. R3 is the \
biggest move, I think. B3 is still threatening by the way.
See variation.
END OF COMMENTS.]
WL[903.765];B[ne]BL[1307.46];W[nf]WL[898.211];B[me]BL[1302.885];W[mf]WL[895.598];B[lf]BL[1301.464];W[lg]WL[893.94];B[kf]BL[1300.034];W[jb]WL[892.458]
;B[kc]BL[1289.416];W[oe]WL[875.97];B[od]BL[1281.618];W[pm]WL[856.696];B[qm]BL[1278.627];W[pp]WL[839.236];B[qq]BL[1253.507];W[qn]WL[828.153];B[qo]BL[1250.262];W[ql]WL[825.935]
;B[rn]BL[1232.208];W[rl]WL[815.099];B[pr]BL[1222.139];W[or]WL[809.903];B[bf]BL[1218.556];W[eh]WL[794.908];B[dh]BL[1203.756];W[hk]WL[773.886];B[hl]BL[1172.539];W[lj]WL[770.199]
;B[lk]BL[1156.019];W[mj]WL[766.086];B[ac]BL[1133.679];W[bc]WL[745.201];B[ad]BL[1130.362];W[ae]WL[731.092];B[be]BL[1123.317];W[ab]WL[718.088];B[af]BL[1120.992];W[bb]WL[710.292]
;B[mk]BL[1078.161];W[nk]WL[703.162];B[ll]BL[1066.381];W[nl]WL[693.184];B[mm]BL[1058.659];W[ln]WL[689.932];B[ml]BL[1053.014];W[mn]WL[687.857];B[rc]BL[1044.857];W[qe]WL[655.947]
;B[lh]BL[1021.757];W[mh]WL[640.271];B[kg]BL[1017.353];W[jj]WL[622.73];B[kj]BL[1008.931];W[ki]WL[620.482];B[li]BL[998.753];W[mi]WL[580.135];B[mg]BL[991.307];W[ng]WL[578.544]
;B[is]BL[981.762];W[js]WL[575.149];B[hs]BL[979.597];W[jr]WL[573.617];B[bq]BL[974.797];W[gq]WL[566.886];B[er]BL[969.2];W[fi]WL[556.497];B[ej]BL[950.927];W[fk]WL[536.616]
;B[fm]BL[936.903];W[fn]WL[505.76];B[ek]BL[921.647];W[di]WL[490.535];B[eg]BL[906.339];W[fh]WL[485.601];B[fj]BL[887.62];W[gi]WL[470.958];B[hi]BL[860.336];W[kh]WL[464.193]
;B[lg]BL[852.125];W[jk]WL[462.315];B[kl]BL[843.378];W[gk]WL[417.518];B[gj]BL[817.976];W[ch]WL[393.836];B[dg]BL[812.928];W[bm]WL[381.933];B[bl]BL[809.788];W[cp]WL[360.436]
;B[ap]BL[796.75];W[bo]WL[346.085];B[pq]BL[788.145];W[op]WL[332.111];B[sm]BL[782.256];W[rm]WL[321.357];B[sl]BL[762.055];W[sk]WL[302.971];B[sn]BL[756.824];W[rk]WL[299.188]
;B[sd]BL[721.983];W[se]WL[296.017];B[sc]BL[720.507];W[ep]WL[290.355];B[eq]BL[705.535];W[fp]WL[287.063];B[im]BL[695.934];W[jn]WL[269.286];B[qd]BL[692.628];W[re]WL[264.676]
;B[am]BL[675.007];W[an]WL[262.105];B[al]BL[671.92];W[qn]WL[258.745];B[rp]BL[663.791];W[ao]WL[247.984];B[pe]BL[645.904];W[pf]WL[242.244];B[aq]BL[630.297];W[do]WL[237.665]
;B[dq]BL[622.673];W[ps]WL[233.023];B[qs]BL[619.946];W[os]WL[224.286];B[nm]BL[610.176];W[nn]WL[219.172];B[ed]BL[606.055];W[ec]WL[208.097];B[ka]BL[599.25];W[ja]
C[Shadonra [1d\]: bottom right is seki..]
WL[203.783]
;B[la]BL[597.242];W[em]
C[redundant [4k\]: what sequence?Shadonra [1d\]: wtf i'm 1dShadonra \
[1d\]: start with s2redundant [4k\]: i got thatShadonra [1d\]: s2 \
r2 s3Shadonra [1d\]: er, t3Shadonra [1d\]: sorry]
WL[163.845];B[gm]BL[565.924];W[cm]WL[150.394];B[dl]
C[redundant [4k\]: after t3 t4]
BL[562.686];W[bd]WL[125.935];B[ie]
C[Shadonra [1d\]: s5 capture s1]
BL[555.814];W[hc]
C[Shadonra [1d\]: actually, no need for s5, just s1Shadonra [1d\]: \
oh there's a ko]
WL[122.829];B[ae]BL[524.351];W[fd]WL[117.97]
;B[fe]
C[dfan [3k\]: No ko if you play S5 first, right?]
BL[509];W[dd]WL[112.025];B[ee]
C[Shadonra [1d\]: still ko]
BL[505.636];W[sr]
C[redundant [4k\]: noperedundant [4k\]: for white hereShadonra [1d\]: \
alive, double koShadonra [1d\]: er, alive w/o double ko]
WL[83.981];B[sq]
C[redundant [4k\]: more fun to live with double ko, thoughShadonra \
[1d\]: no it isnt, you'll lose every other ko]
BL[416.755];W[rs]
C[Shadonra [1d\]: ok, it's sekioShadonra [1d\]: that's seki with \
a ko, btwredundant [4k\]: or black can double ko and live]
WL[53.65];B[qr]BL[345.669];W[so]
C[Shadonra [1d\]: noperedundant [4k\]: how?redundant [4k\]: beforeShadonra \
[1d\]: i dunnoShadonra [1d\]: i think i misread that]
WL[49.989];B[ro]BL[292.424];W[rr]WL[42.518]
;B[qm]
C[Shadonra [1d\]: hmm, ko threatsShadonra [1d\]: i think w has more]
BL[278.685];W[fl]WL[18.277];B[ik]BL[270.405];W[qn]WL[13.831];B[nj]
C[Shadonra [1d\]: not a threatredundant [4k\]: b wins]
BL[263.546];W[qm]WL[60]OW[3];B[oj]BL[243.093];W[ol]
C[Jedo [4k\]: yeah, bad ko threat <IMG src="./images/smilies/icon_razz.gif" \
alt=":P" title="Razz">]
WL[60]OW[3];B[tt]BL[206.567];W[tt]
C[RedStick [6k\]: good game. Jedo [4k\]: thanks for the gameRedStick \
[6k\]: congtrats on the series. Jedo [4k\]: thanksJedo [4k\]: it \
was a lot of funJedo [4k\]: what was the correct response at the \
end? or did that have to be seki?RedStick [6k\]: i still can't \
effectivey reduceRedStick [6k\]: not sure.]
TB[gs][fs][es][ds][cs][bs][as][fr][dr][cr][br][ar][fl][jk][hk][gk][fk][dk][ck][bk][ak][jj][ij][hj][dj][cj][bj][aj][ki][ji][ii][gi][fi][di][ci][bi][ai][kh][jh][gh][fh][eh][ch][bh][ah][ig][gg][fg][cg][bg][ag][jf][ff][le][ke][nd][md][ld][kd][jd][pc][oc][mc][lc][sb][rb][qb][pb][ob][nb][sa][ra][qa][pa][oa][na][ma]
TW[ns][ms][ls][ks][nr][mr][lr][kr][nq][mq][kq][jq][np][mp][lp][kp][jp][ip][hp][gp][no][mo][lo][ko][jo][ho][go][fo][eo][co][bn][pl][qk][pk][ok][sj][rj][qj][pj][oj][nj][si][ri][pi][ni][sh][rh][qh][ph][oh][nh][sg][rg][qg][pg][og][sf][rf][cc][ib][gb][fb][eb][db][cb][ia][ha][ga][fa][ea][da][ca][ba][aa]
WL[60]OW[3])
(;W[bq];B[br];W[dr];B[cr];W[eq];B[ep];W[fr]
C[SoDesuNe:
No easy life. With F1, D1 or D3 you can play a Ko.]
))
(;W[fd];B[cc];W[cb];B[cd];W[bb];B[cg];W[ei]
C[SoDesuNe:
Maybe this?]
))
(;W[fm];B[fl];W[gl]
C[SoDesuNe:
I would play more agressively. But here you have to be careful, \
because of your B4-C3 exchange you might be struggling for life, \
too, in the end.]
))
(;W[qq];B[rq];W[pp];B[qo];W[qr]
C[SoDesuNe:
Maybe this way? White is solid, if Black takes the corner White \
splits the right side, threatening to either approach the Hoshi \
or taking the base of Black's bottom right group.]
MA[qj]))[/sgf-full]
- Aphelion
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Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
I am facing a scheduling dilemma here. The time difference between me and Redundant means that neither one of us can play during weekdays. And since this is my last month in Europe, I am have trips planned for the next 3 weekends. I can try to access Internet during this time, but I can't be certain that we can manage to get a game in,
Can you guys wait for 07/17 when I get back to the States? If not I am ok with resigning the series.
Can you guys wait for 07/17 when I get back to the States? If not I am ok with resigning the series.
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RedStick
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Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
It's up to Redundant if he wants to wait or accept your resignation.
But with the delay I'd say it probably makes sense for the loser of your series to be eliminated especially since if they drop to the losers bracket and win it will just result in a rematch. The delay shouldn't be too big a deal though since there will have to be an additional round in the losers bracket anyway. And neither of the two series' has begun yet.
But with the delay I'd say it probably makes sense for the loser of your series to be eliminated especially since if they drop to the losers bracket and win it will just result in a rematch. The delay shouldn't be too big a deal though since there will have to be an additional round in the losers bracket anyway. And neither of the two series' has begun yet.
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Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
and SoDesuNe. Thanks for your comments. I found your comments very helpful, perhaps because we are about the same strength.
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Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
RedStick wrote:It's up to Redundant if he wants to wait or accept your resignation.
But with the delay I'd say it probably makes sense for the loser of your series to be eliminated especially since if they drop to the losers bracket and win it will just result in a rematch. The delay shouldn't be too big a deal though since there will have to be an additional round in the losers bracket anyway. And neither of the two series' has begun yet.
I'm pretty sure if we drop down to the loser's bracket I will be back in the States and in the same timezone. We'd be able to finish games fast then.
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Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
Nikolas73 and I have now played our first game. I took white and Nikolas73 took black. Here's the game:
The result was W+R, so the series is 1-0 to me for now. We will play our next game around 21:00 CEST tomorrow.
The result was W+R, so the series is 1-0 to me for now. We will play our next game around 21:00 CEST tomorrow.
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Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
White (redundant) won the first game of Aphelion vs. Redundant by resign.
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Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
Sorry for taking so long to report this - Padic and I played game 3 on Thursday, somehow I won by half a point. Padic is leading 2-1 and we will play game 4 tonight at 5pm Pacific (in about 3 and a half hours from this post).
As usual, thanks to Shadonra for reviewing.
Here is the SGF:
EDIT: Oh dear. Sorry Padic, I got our game mixed up with another one - it was supposed to be at 12pm Pacific, not 5pm, right? If you are reading this, please check your KGS messages.
As usual, thanks to Shadonra for reviewing.
Here is the SGF:
EDIT: Oh dear. Sorry Padic, I got our game mixed up with another one - it was supposed to be at 12pm Pacific, not 5pm, right? If you are reading this, please check your KGS messages.
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- SoDesuNe
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Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
Jedo (B) vs. SoDesuNe (W), 1. game: W+2.5 (luckily)
[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[SoDesuNe]PB[Jedo]WR[4k]BR[4k]DT[2010-07-08]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+2.50]
;B[pd]BL[1795.784]C[SoDesuNe [4k\]: Good game
Jedo [4k\]: you too
]
;W[dp]WL[1796.375]
;B[qp]BL[1790.248]
;W[dc]WL[1789.116]
;B[oq]BL[1787.286]
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;B[ql]BL[1784.423]
;W[qf]WL[1783.055]
;B[qh]BL[1781.632]
;W[of]WL[1782.182]
;B[nd]BL[1779.288]
;W[pi]WL[1780.893]
;B[qd]BL[1757.481]
;W[ph]WL[1778.521]
;B[fq]BL[1752.785]
;W[cn]WL[1759.528]
;B[jp]BL[1729.903]
;W[lc]WL[1758.16]
;B[mb]BL[1699.43]
;W[oo]WL[1659.842]
;B[mp]BL[1661.954]
;W[ol]WL[1645.795]
;B[pn]BL[1653.981]
;W[dr]WL[1642.05]
;B[ic]BL[1630.956]
;W[hq]WL[1636.355]
;B[hp]BL[1627.478]
;W[gq]WL[1628.553]
;B[gp]BL[1623.445]
;W[fr]WL[1627.427]
;B[iq]BL[1614.514]
;W[hr]WL[1574.755]
;B[de]BL[1602.32]
;W[ce]WL[1568.686]
;B[cf]BL[1599.254]
;W[cd]WL[1567.336]
;B[dg]BL[1591.555]
;W[fc]WL[1561.427]
;B[cj]BL[1579.343]
;W[ef]WL[1550.287]
;B[mf]BL[1561.719]
;W[jd]WL[1452.974]
;B[id]BL[1543.506]
;W[je]WL[1451.674]
;B[jc]BL[1530.283]
;W[ld]WL[1429.309]
;B[lb]BL[1471.832]
;W[me]WL[1410.064]
;B[ne]BL[1462.22]
;W[nf]WL[1408.987]
;B[mc]BL[1417.702]
;W[lf]WL[1397.576]
;B[mg]BL[1413.999]
;W[lg]WL[1396.479]
;B[ok]BL[1400.016]
;W[pl]WL[1372.766]
;B[pm]BL[1389.898]
;W[qk]WL[1365.626]
;B[lh]BL[1382.108]
;W[mh]WL[1358.871]
;B[mi]BL[1377.414]
;W[ng]WL[1350.483]
;B[nk]BL[1343.565]
;W[df]WL[1333.716]
;B[bf]BL[1310.427]
;W[nl]WL[1240.537]
;B[mm]BL[1278.36]
;W[ml]WL[1200.591]
;B[lm]BL[1268.969]
;W[jr]WL[1132.756]
;B[kq]BL[1235.615]
;W[kk]WL[1101.674]
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;W[is]WL[1085.778]
;B[ks]BL[1208.195]
;W[js]WL[1046.454]
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;W[fm]WL[789.505]
;B[hm]BL[1106.526]
;W[re]WL[785.027]
;B[rd]BL[1085.389]
;W[cl]WL[732.229]
;B[rl]BL[1080.554]
;W[gn]WL[687.376]
;B[bk]BL[1035.422]
;W[bl]WL[682.514]
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;W[lk]WL[579.007]
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;W[pk]WL[577.408]
;B[ac]BL[974.125]
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;W[ab]WL[527.025]
;B[ae]BL[952.731]
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;B[si]BL[932.957]
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;B[fa]BL[509.71]
;W[ea]WL[42.621]
;B[ga]BL[507.971]
;W[eb]WL[41.749]
;B[kc]BL[492.427]
;W[hi]WL[37.917]
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;W[oe]WL[19.517]
;B[od]BL[471.063]
;W[ij]WL[9.989]
;B[gj]BL[459.74]
;W[il]WL[8.505]
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;W[kd]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[fl]BL[441.031]
;W[el]WL[60]OW[4]
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;W[gm]WL[60]OW[4]
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;W[pf]WL[60]OW[4]
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;W[be]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[af]BL[294.637]
;W[rk]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[rn]BL[289.369]
;W[bd]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[ch]BL[245.553]
;W[]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[]BL[245.552]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][cb][db][cc][ec][dd][ed][de][ee][ke][le][kf][mf][sf][jg][kg][mg][og][pg][qg][rg][sg][lh][nh][oh][qh][rh][li][mi][ni][oi][qi][si][lj][mj][nj][oj][pj][sj][dk][mk][nk][ok][em][hm][dn][en][fn][co][do][eo][fo][cp][aq][bq][cq][dq][eq][fq][ar][br][cr][er][gr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][gs]TB[ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][na][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][ib][jb][kb][nb][ob][pb][qb][rb][sb][nc][oc][pc][qc][hd][he][hf][ag][bg][cg][gg][ah][bh][dh][fh][gh][ai][ci][aj][bj][qm][rm][sm][kn][ln][mn][qn][sn][io][jo][ko][lo][mo][no][oo][po][qo][ro][so][kp][lp][np][op][pp][rp][sp][lq][mq][nq][pq][qq][rq][sq][lr][mr][nr][or][pr][qr][rr][sr][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]C[Jedo [4k\]: thanks
SoDesuNe [4k\]: Thank you
Jedo [4k\]: fun game
SoDesuNe [4k\]: y, I didn't think I would win this
])[/sgf-full]
[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[SoDesuNe]PB[Jedo]WR[4k]BR[4k]DT[2010-07-08]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+2.50]
;B[pd]BL[1795.784]C[SoDesuNe [4k\]: Good game
Jedo [4k\]: you too
]
;W[dp]WL[1796.375]
;B[qp]BL[1790.248]
;W[dc]WL[1789.116]
;B[oq]BL[1787.286]
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;B[qd]BL[1757.481]
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;W[lf]WL[1397.576]
;B[mg]BL[1413.999]
;W[lg]WL[1396.479]
;B[ok]BL[1400.016]
;W[pl]WL[1372.766]
;B[pm]BL[1389.898]
;W[qk]WL[1365.626]
;B[lh]BL[1382.108]
;W[mh]WL[1358.871]
;B[mi]BL[1377.414]
;W[ng]WL[1350.483]
;B[nk]BL[1343.565]
;W[df]WL[1333.716]
;B[bf]BL[1310.427]
;W[nl]WL[1240.537]
;B[mm]BL[1278.36]
;W[ml]WL[1200.591]
;B[lm]BL[1268.969]
;W[jr]WL[1132.756]
;B[kq]BL[1235.615]
;W[kk]WL[1101.674]
;B[ir]BL[1223.311]
;W[is]WL[1085.778]
;B[ks]BL[1208.195]
;W[js]WL[1046.454]
;B[kr]BL[1199.389]
;W[fp]WL[1044.449]
;B[fo]BL[1186.632]
;W[ep]WL[1040.888]
;B[eg]BL[1172.997]
;W[ff]WL[1034.231]
;B[jj]BL[1167.667]
;W[kh]WL[910.871]
;B[jl]BL[1142.337]
;W[fm]WL[789.505]
;B[hm]BL[1106.526]
;W[re]WL[785.027]
;B[rd]BL[1085.389]
;W[cl]WL[732.229]
;B[rl]BL[1080.554]
;W[gn]WL[687.376]
;B[bk]BL[1035.422]
;W[bl]WL[682.514]
;B[mk]BL[1007.624]
;W[lk]WL[579.007]
;B[ll]BL[989.303]
;W[pk]WL[577.408]
;B[ac]BL[974.125]
;W[bc]WL[528.749]
;B[ad]BL[966.504]
;W[ab]WL[527.025]
;B[ae]BL[952.731]
;W[kj]WL[492.87]
;B[si]BL[932.957]
;W[ri]WL[466.212]
;B[sj]BL[922.477]
;W[sh]WL[464.939]
;B[al]BL[893.229]
;W[am]WL[455.098]
;B[ak]BL[890.717]
;W[sk]WL[400.552]
;B[sl]BL[884.341]
;W[rj]WL[398.328]
;B[bm]BL[881.186]
;W[bo]WL[394.955]
;B[an]BL[873.51]
;W[bn]WL[376.285]
;B[gb]BL[826.352]
;W[fb]WL[373.851]
;B[hb]BL[823.553]
;W[sd]WL[372.521]
;B[sc]BL[820.456]
;W[se]WL[371.736]
;B[rc]BL[819.642]
;W[hn]WL[366.779]
;B[in]BL[816.517]
;W[io]WL[346.223]
;B[ho]BL[792.033]
;W[go]WL[344.627]
;B[ip]BL[787.434]
;W[im]WL[343.498]
;B[jn]BL[785.14]
;W[hl]WL[329.335]
;B[ao]BL[779.189]
;W[ap]WL[326.413]
;B[am]BL[777.542]
;W[bp]WL[325.019]
;B[cm]BL[774.054]
;W[dm]WL[323.802]
;B[fg]BL[744.341]
;W[ck]WL[309.827]
;B[dk]BL[700.515]
;W[dl]WL[308.037]
;B[bi]BL[687.496]
;W[dj]WL[264.487]
;B[di]BL[685.065]
;W[ej]WL[262.116]
;B[gf]BL[683.587]
;W[fe]WL[255.329]
;B[ge]BL[680.605]
;W[fd]WL[247.692]
;B[gk]BL[667.807]
;W[nm]WL[219.043]
;B[nn]BL[660.953]
;W[om]WL[217.969]
;B[on]BL[659.682]
;W[kl]WL[207.871]
;B[km]BL[650.372]
;W[bb]WL[150.226]
;B[jk]BL[642.109]
;W[ki]WL[147.443]
;B[qe]BL[637.553]
;W[rf]WL[145.59]
;B[jq]BL[634.92]
;W[hs]WL[140.005]
;B[fk]BL[605.612]
;W[ek]WL[137.815]
;B[fi]BL[595.019]
;W[hk]WL[69.536]
;B[hj]BL[551.773]
;W[ih]WL[67.702]
;B[hh]BL[532.974]
;W[ig]WL[44.956]
;B[fa]BL[509.71]
;W[ea]WL[42.621]
;B[ga]BL[507.971]
;W[eb]WL[41.749]
;B[kc]BL[492.427]
;W[hi]WL[37.917]
;B[gi]BL[486.137]
;W[ii]WL[36.565]
;B[hg]BL[480.288]
;W[oe]WL[19.517]
;B[od]BL[471.063]
;W[ij]WL[9.989]
;B[gj]BL[459.74]
;W[il]WL[8.505]
;B[jm]BL[456.822]
;W[kd]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[fl]BL[441.031]
;W[el]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[gl]BL[434.835]
;W[gm]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[if]BL[425.683]
;W[jf]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[ie]BL[423.414]
;W[gc]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[ji]BL[412.392]
;W[jh]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[hc]BL[376.392]
;W[ei]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[eh]BL[371.313]
;W[ik]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[pe]BL[357.893]
;W[pf]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[gd]BL[350.546]
;W[be]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[af]BL[294.637]
;W[rk]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[rn]BL[289.369]
;W[bd]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[ch]BL[245.553]
;W[]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[]BL[245.552]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][cb][db][cc][ec][dd][ed][de][ee][ke][le][kf][mf][sf][jg][kg][mg][og][pg][qg][rg][sg][lh][nh][oh][qh][rh][li][mi][ni][oi][qi][si][lj][mj][nj][oj][pj][sj][dk][mk][nk][ok][em][hm][dn][en][fn][co][do][eo][fo][cp][aq][bq][cq][dq][eq][fq][ar][br][cr][er][gr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][gs]TB[ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][na][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][ib][jb][kb][nb][ob][pb][qb][rb][sb][nc][oc][pc][qc][hd][he][hf][ag][bg][cg][gg][ah][bh][dh][fh][gh][ai][ci][aj][bj][qm][rm][sm][kn][ln][mn][qn][sn][io][jo][ko][lo][mo][no][oo][po][qo][ro][so][kp][lp][np][op][pp][rp][sp][lq][mq][nq][pq][qq][rq][sq][lr][mr][nr][or][pr][qr][rr][sr][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]C[Jedo [4k\]: thanks
SoDesuNe [4k\]: Thank you
Jedo [4k\]: fun game
SoDesuNe [4k\]: y, I didn't think I would win this
])[/sgf-full]
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Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
Comments would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
What I think:
[sgf-full](;
GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[Jedo]
PW[SoDesuNe]
DT[2010-07-08]
PC[The KGS Go Server at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.gokgs.com/">http://www.gokgs.com/</a><!-- m -->]
KM[6.5]
TM[1800]
RU[Japanese]
RE[W+2.50]
BR[4k]
WR[4k]
OT[5x60 byo-yomi]CA[UTF-8];B[pd]
C[SoDesuNe [4k\]: Good gameJedo [4k\]: you too]
BL[1795.784];W[dp]WL[1796.375];B[qp]BL[1790.248];W[dc]WL[1789.116];B[oq]BL[1787.286];W[qj]WL[1784.113];B[ql]BL[1784.423];W[qf]WL[1783.055]
;B[qh]BL[1781.632];W[of]WL[1782.182];B[nd]BL[1779.288];W[pi]
C[SoDesuNe:
Mistake. Because of O16 Black has no base for his stones, so \
White has to play S16.]
WL[1780.893];B[qd]BL[1757.481];W[ph]
C[SoDesuNe:
Don't know about this one. There is still Aji lingering but I \
was afraid when Black would start to run out.]
WL[1778.521];B[fq]BL[1752.785];W[cn]WL[1759.528];B[jp]BL[1729.903];W[lc]WL[1758.16]
;B[mb]BL[1699.43];W[oo]
C[SoDesuNe:
When in doubt, Tenuki! Proverbs = Truth! I still think this move \
is okay but what to do with this? ^^ Same as M17.]
WL[1659.842];B[mp]BL[1661.954];W[ol]WL[1645.795];B[pn]BL[1653.981];W[dr]WL[1642.05];B[ic]BL[1630.956];W[hq]WL[1636.355];B[hp]BL[1627.478];W[gq]WL[1628.553]
;B[gp]BL[1623.445];W[fr]WL[1627.427];B[iq]BL[1614.514];W[hr]WL[1574.755];B[de]BL[1602.32];W[ce]WL[1568.686];B[cf]BL[1599.254];W[cd]WL[1567.336];B[dg]BL[1591.555];W[fc]WL[1561.427]
;B[cj]BL[1579.343];W[ef]WL[1550.287];B[mf]BL[1561.719];W[jd]WL[1452.974];B[id]BL[1543.506];W[je]WL[1451.674];B[jc]BL[1530.283];W[ld]WL[1429.309];B[lb]BL[1471.832];W[me]WL[1410.064]
;B[ne]BL[1462.22];W[nf]WL[1408.987];B[mc]BL[1417.702];W[lf]WL[1397.576];B[mg]BL[1413.999];W[lg]WL[1396.479];B[ok]
C[SoDesuNe:
I don't think this move accomplishes much. As Black I would play \
N10.]
BL[1400.016];W[pl]WL[1372.766];B[pm]BL[1389.898];W[qk]WL[1365.626]
;B[lh]BL[1382.108];W[mh]WL[1358.871];B[mi]BL[1377.414];W[ng]WL[1350.483];B[nk]BL[1343.565];W[df]WL[1333.716];B[bf]BL[1310.427];W[nl]WL[1240.537];B[mm]BL[1278.36];W[ml]WL[1200.591]
;B[lm]BL[1268.969];W[jr]WL[1132.756];B[kq]BL[1235.615];W[kk]WL[1101.674];B[ir]BL[1223.311];W[is]WL[1085.778];B[ks]BL[1208.195];W[js]WL[1046.454];B[kr]BL[1199.389];W[fp]WL[1044.449]
;B[fo]BL[1186.632];W[ep]WL[1040.888];B[eg]BL[1172.997];W[ff]WL[1034.231];B[jj]BL[1167.667];W[kh]WL[910.871];B[jl]BL[1142.337];W[fm]WL[789.505];B[hm]BL[1106.526];W[re]WL[785.027]
;B[rd]BL[1085.389];W[cl]WL[732.229];B[rl]BL[1080.554];W[gn]WL[687.376];B[bk]BL[1035.422];W[bl]WL[682.514];B[mk]BL[1007.624];W[lk]WL[579.007];B[ll]BL[989.303];W[pk]WL[577.408]
;B[ac]
C[SoDesuNe:
Black has to play M11. White can resign. Or live under P3.]
BL[974.125];W[bc]
C[SoDesuNe:
White has to play L10 ^^]
WL[528.749];B[ad]BL[966.504];W[ab]WL[527.025];B[ae]BL[952.731];W[kj]WL[492.87];B[si]BL[932.957];W[ri]WL[466.212];B[sj]BL[922.477];W[sh]WL[464.939]
;B[al]BL[893.229];W[am]WL[455.098];B[ak]BL[890.717];W[sk]
C[SoDesuNe:
Misread, I thought Black could cut at S12 and connect to T15.]
WL[400.552];B[sl]BL[884.341];W[rj]WL[398.328];B[bm]BL[881.186];W[bo]WL[394.955];B[an]BL[873.51];W[bn]WL[376.285]
;B[gb]
C[SoDesuNe:
Black is getting all the huge endgame moves.]
BL[826.352];W[fb]WL[373.851];B[hb]BL[823.553];W[sd]WL[372.521];B[sc]BL[820.456];W[se]WL[371.736];B[rc]BL[819.642];W[hn]WL[366.779];B[in]BL[816.517];W[io]WL[346.223]
;B[ho]BL[792.033];W[go]WL[344.627];B[ip]BL[787.434];W[im]WL[343.498];B[jn]BL[785.14];W[hl]WL[329.335];B[ao]BL[779.189];W[ap]WL[326.413];B[am]BL[777.542];W[bp]WL[325.019]
;B[cm]BL[774.054];W[dm]WL[323.802];B[fg]
C[SoDesuNe:
Cutting at D8 is so much bigger.]
BL[744.341];W[ck]WL[309.827];B[dk]BL[700.515];W[dl]WL[308.037];B[bi]BL[687.496];W[dj]WL[264.487];B[di]BL[685.065];W[ej]
C[SoDesuNe:
Netgain for White.]
WL[262.116]
;B[gf]BL[683.587];W[fe]WL[255.329];B[ge]BL[680.605];W[fd]WL[247.692];B[gk]BL[667.807];W[nm]WL[219.043];B[nn]BL[660.953];W[om]WL[217.969];B[on]BL[659.682];W[kl]WL[207.871]
;B[km]BL[650.372];W[bb]WL[150.226];B[jk]BL[642.109];W[ki]WL[147.443];B[qe]BL[637.553];W[rf]WL[145.59];B[jq]BL[634.92];W[hs]WL[140.005];B[fk]BL[605.612];W[ek]WL[137.815]
;B[fi]BL[595.019];W[hk]WL[69.536];B[hj]BL[551.773];W[ih]WL[67.702];B[hh]BL[532.974];W[ig]WL[44.956];B[fa]BL[509.71];W[ea]WL[42.621];B[ga]BL[507.971];W[eb]WL[41.749]
;B[kc]BL[492.427];W[hi]WL[37.917];B[gi]BL[486.137];W[ii]WL[36.565];B[hg]BL[480.288];W[oe]WL[19.517];B[od]BL[471.063];W[ij]WL[9.989];B[gj]BL[459.74];W[il]WL[8.505]
;B[jm]BL[456.822];W[kd]WL[60]OW[4];B[fl]BL[441.031];W[el]WL[60]OW[4];B[gl]BL[434.835];W[gm]WL[60]OW[4];B[if]BL[425.683];W[jf]WL[60]OW[4];B[ie]BL[423.414];W[gc]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[ji]BL[412.392];W[jh]WL[60]OW[4];B[hc]BL[376.392];W[ei]WL[60]OW[4];B[eh]BL[371.313];W[ik]WL[60]OW[4];B[pe]BL[357.893];W[pf]WL[60]OW[4];B[gd]BL[350.546];W[be]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[af]
C[SoDesuNe;
0 point-move?]
BL[294.637];W[rk]WL[60]OW[4];B[rn]
C[SoDesuNe:
Unecassary.]
BL[289.369];W[bd]WL[60]OW[3];B[ch]BL[245.553];W[tt]WL[60]OW[3];B[tt]
C[Jedo [4k\]: thanksSoDesuNe [4k\]: Thank youJedo [4k\]: fun gameSoDesuNe \
[4k\]: y, I didn't think I would win this]
TB[ss][rs][qs][ps][os][ns][ms][ls][sr][rr][qr][pr][or][nr][mr][lr][sq][rq][qq][pq][nq][mq][lq][sp][rp][pp][op][np][lp][kp][so][ro][qo][po][oo][no][mo][lo][ko][jo][io][sn][qn][mn][ln][kn][sm][rm][qm][bj][aj][ci][ai][gh][fh][dh][bh][ah][gg][cg][bg][ag][hf][he][hd][qc][pc][oc][nc][sb][rb][qb][pb][ob][nb][kb][jb][ib][sa][ra][qa][pa][oa][na][ma][la][ka][ja][ia][ha]
TW[gs][fs][es][ds][cs][bs][as][gr][er][cr][br][ar][fq][eq][dq][cq][bq][aq][cp][fo][eo][do][co][fn][en][dn][hm][em][ok][nk][mk][dk][sj][pj][oj][nj][mj][lj][si][qi][oi][ni][mi][li][rh][qh][oh][nh][lh][sg][rg][qg][pg][og][mg][kg][jg][sf][mf][kf][le][ke][ee][de][ed][dd][ec][cc][db][cb][da][ca][ba][aa]
BL[245.552])[/sgf-full]
[sgf-full](;
GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[Jedo]
PW[SoDesuNe]
DT[2010-07-08]
PC[The KGS Go Server at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.gokgs.com/">http://www.gokgs.com/</a><!-- m -->]
KM[6.5]
TM[1800]
RU[Japanese]
RE[W+2.50]
BR[4k]
WR[4k]
OT[5x60 byo-yomi]CA[UTF-8];B[pd]
C[SoDesuNe [4k\]: Good gameJedo [4k\]: you too]
BL[1795.784];W[dp]WL[1796.375];B[qp]BL[1790.248];W[dc]WL[1789.116];B[oq]BL[1787.286];W[qj]WL[1784.113];B[ql]BL[1784.423];W[qf]WL[1783.055]
;B[qh]BL[1781.632];W[of]WL[1782.182];B[nd]BL[1779.288];W[pi]
C[SoDesuNe:
Mistake. Because of O16 Black has no base for his stones, so \
White has to play S16.]
WL[1780.893];B[qd]BL[1757.481];W[ph]
C[SoDesuNe:
Don't know about this one. There is still Aji lingering but I \
was afraid when Black would start to run out.]
WL[1778.521];B[fq]BL[1752.785];W[cn]WL[1759.528];B[jp]BL[1729.903];W[lc]WL[1758.16]
;B[mb]BL[1699.43];W[oo]
C[SoDesuNe:
When in doubt, Tenuki! Proverbs = Truth! I still think this move \
is okay but what to do with this? ^^ Same as M17.]
WL[1659.842];B[mp]BL[1661.954];W[ol]WL[1645.795];B[pn]BL[1653.981];W[dr]WL[1642.05];B[ic]BL[1630.956];W[hq]WL[1636.355];B[hp]BL[1627.478];W[gq]WL[1628.553]
;B[gp]BL[1623.445];W[fr]WL[1627.427];B[iq]BL[1614.514];W[hr]WL[1574.755];B[de]BL[1602.32];W[ce]WL[1568.686];B[cf]BL[1599.254];W[cd]WL[1567.336];B[dg]BL[1591.555];W[fc]WL[1561.427]
;B[cj]BL[1579.343];W[ef]WL[1550.287];B[mf]BL[1561.719];W[jd]WL[1452.974];B[id]BL[1543.506];W[je]WL[1451.674];B[jc]BL[1530.283];W[ld]WL[1429.309];B[lb]BL[1471.832];W[me]WL[1410.064]
;B[ne]BL[1462.22];W[nf]WL[1408.987];B[mc]BL[1417.702];W[lf]WL[1397.576];B[mg]BL[1413.999];W[lg]WL[1396.479];B[ok]
C[SoDesuNe:
I don't think this move accomplishes much. As Black I would play \
N10.]
BL[1400.016];W[pl]WL[1372.766];B[pm]BL[1389.898];W[qk]WL[1365.626]
;B[lh]BL[1382.108];W[mh]WL[1358.871];B[mi]BL[1377.414];W[ng]WL[1350.483];B[nk]BL[1343.565];W[df]WL[1333.716];B[bf]BL[1310.427];W[nl]WL[1240.537];B[mm]BL[1278.36];W[ml]WL[1200.591]
;B[lm]BL[1268.969];W[jr]WL[1132.756];B[kq]BL[1235.615];W[kk]WL[1101.674];B[ir]BL[1223.311];W[is]WL[1085.778];B[ks]BL[1208.195];W[js]WL[1046.454];B[kr]BL[1199.389];W[fp]WL[1044.449]
;B[fo]BL[1186.632];W[ep]WL[1040.888];B[eg]BL[1172.997];W[ff]WL[1034.231];B[jj]BL[1167.667];W[kh]WL[910.871];B[jl]BL[1142.337];W[fm]WL[789.505];B[hm]BL[1106.526];W[re]WL[785.027]
;B[rd]BL[1085.389];W[cl]WL[732.229];B[rl]BL[1080.554];W[gn]WL[687.376];B[bk]BL[1035.422];W[bl]WL[682.514];B[mk]BL[1007.624];W[lk]WL[579.007];B[ll]BL[989.303];W[pk]WL[577.408]
;B[ac]
C[SoDesuNe:
Black has to play M11. White can resign. Or live under P3.]
BL[974.125];W[bc]
C[SoDesuNe:
White has to play L10 ^^]
WL[528.749];B[ad]BL[966.504];W[ab]WL[527.025];B[ae]BL[952.731];W[kj]WL[492.87];B[si]BL[932.957];W[ri]WL[466.212];B[sj]BL[922.477];W[sh]WL[464.939]
;B[al]BL[893.229];W[am]WL[455.098];B[ak]BL[890.717];W[sk]
C[SoDesuNe:
Misread, I thought Black could cut at S12 and connect to T15.]
WL[400.552];B[sl]BL[884.341];W[rj]WL[398.328];B[bm]BL[881.186];W[bo]WL[394.955];B[an]BL[873.51];W[bn]WL[376.285]
;B[gb]
C[SoDesuNe:
Black is getting all the huge endgame moves.]
BL[826.352];W[fb]WL[373.851];B[hb]BL[823.553];W[sd]WL[372.521];B[sc]BL[820.456];W[se]WL[371.736];B[rc]BL[819.642];W[hn]WL[366.779];B[in]BL[816.517];W[io]WL[346.223]
;B[ho]BL[792.033];W[go]WL[344.627];B[ip]BL[787.434];W[im]WL[343.498];B[jn]BL[785.14];W[hl]WL[329.335];B[ao]BL[779.189];W[ap]WL[326.413];B[am]BL[777.542];W[bp]WL[325.019]
;B[cm]BL[774.054];W[dm]WL[323.802];B[fg]
C[SoDesuNe:
Cutting at D8 is so much bigger.]
BL[744.341];W[ck]WL[309.827];B[dk]BL[700.515];W[dl]WL[308.037];B[bi]BL[687.496];W[dj]WL[264.487];B[di]BL[685.065];W[ej]
C[SoDesuNe:
Netgain for White.]
WL[262.116]
;B[gf]BL[683.587];W[fe]WL[255.329];B[ge]BL[680.605];W[fd]WL[247.692];B[gk]BL[667.807];W[nm]WL[219.043];B[nn]BL[660.953];W[om]WL[217.969];B[on]BL[659.682];W[kl]WL[207.871]
;B[km]BL[650.372];W[bb]WL[150.226];B[jk]BL[642.109];W[ki]WL[147.443];B[qe]BL[637.553];W[rf]WL[145.59];B[jq]BL[634.92];W[hs]WL[140.005];B[fk]BL[605.612];W[ek]WL[137.815]
;B[fi]BL[595.019];W[hk]WL[69.536];B[hj]BL[551.773];W[ih]WL[67.702];B[hh]BL[532.974];W[ig]WL[44.956];B[fa]BL[509.71];W[ea]WL[42.621];B[ga]BL[507.971];W[eb]WL[41.749]
;B[kc]BL[492.427];W[hi]WL[37.917];B[gi]BL[486.137];W[ii]WL[36.565];B[hg]BL[480.288];W[oe]WL[19.517];B[od]BL[471.063];W[ij]WL[9.989];B[gj]BL[459.74];W[il]WL[8.505]
;B[jm]BL[456.822];W[kd]WL[60]OW[4];B[fl]BL[441.031];W[el]WL[60]OW[4];B[gl]BL[434.835];W[gm]WL[60]OW[4];B[if]BL[425.683];W[jf]WL[60]OW[4];B[ie]BL[423.414];W[gc]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[ji]BL[412.392];W[jh]WL[60]OW[4];B[hc]BL[376.392];W[ei]WL[60]OW[4];B[eh]BL[371.313];W[ik]WL[60]OW[4];B[pe]BL[357.893];W[pf]WL[60]OW[4];B[gd]BL[350.546];W[be]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[af]
C[SoDesuNe;
0 point-move?]
BL[294.637];W[rk]WL[60]OW[4];B[rn]
C[SoDesuNe:
Unecassary.]
BL[289.369];W[bd]WL[60]OW[3];B[ch]BL[245.553];W[tt]WL[60]OW[3];B[tt]
C[Jedo [4k\]: thanksSoDesuNe [4k\]: Thank youJedo [4k\]: fun gameSoDesuNe \
[4k\]: y, I didn't think I would win this]
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BL[245.552])[/sgf-full]