Kirby's Study Journal

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Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by Charles Matthews »

Kirby wrote:I was a bit aggressive in the early part of the game, and fell behind.


Looks to me like :w28: is a key play.

I would simply take L9 instead. If Black jumps out with the lower group, and White extends along the lower side, the game is going well for White. As it is, White becomes both thin and heavy.
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Kirby wrote:the Jin Chen Memorial Tournament in Seattle, and I plan to attend.
Hi Kirby, you're near Sesttle. For some reason I thought you were in Korea or on the east coast. :)
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by ez4u »

I was traveling with just my iPad which makes comments and diagrams difficult. So here are couple of late points on the game in post #295.

Kirby wrote:Learning points.

Position 1
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[go]$$ Position at move 37
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I played the marked move. I don't feel that bad about it, but maybe it's not calm enough. Maybe it's fine to just play calmly like this:
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[go]$$ Position at move 37
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


With this kind of large-knight extension at the top, the weak spot in White's position is Black 1 above. Here it is helped by the Black stone to the left. Whether Black plays it immediately or not, this should be in Black's mind. In the game after Black exchanges 37 for 38, the follow up should definitely be the invasion IMHO.
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[go]$$Bc Black's follow up
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . 1 . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Kirby wrote:Position 2
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[go]$$ Position at move 45
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O B . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The marked move is a little silly.

I think it makes more sense to play like this:
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[go]$$ Position at move 45
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . X . B . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Finish the joseki!
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[go]$$Bc Position at move 45
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . O X O 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Kirby wrote:Position 3
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[go]$$ Position at move 71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . O O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . O O X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . O X . . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . X . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . X O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O X . X . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . B . . X . . . . . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I invaded 3-3 here, but maybe it's too anxious. The point balance isn't that bad for black, so maybe just reinforcing is fine:
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[go]$$ Position at move 71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . O O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . O O X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . O X . . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . X . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . X O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O X . X . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Attack!!! This is the only possible use for your new thickness. The only alternative worthy of consideration is the atari at 'a' prior to the play in the corner. However, White will probably tenuki and play at 1. Black would get a second ponuki in sente in the center but the only natural target would be gone. Once Black takes White's eyes below, Black should be able to solidify both the right and the bottom while White hunts for eyes.
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[go]$$Bc Position at move 71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . O O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . O O X X X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . O X . . O O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . X . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . X O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O X . X . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . a . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Kirby wrote:...
Position 6
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[go]$$ Position at move 167
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . O X O O B . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . O O O X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . O O X X X X . X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . O X . O O O O O X X X . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . X O X . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O O X O O X . . X . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O O . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X . . . . O X . X . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X , . . . . O X . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X O O . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | O X O . . O X X . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . X . O O . O O X |
$$ | . X . O . O O O X X . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O O X X X X X . X X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O O O O X O . O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move solidified my loss. I can't believe I didn't read just a couple of moves to see that it was terrible.

If I just play here:
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[go]$$ Position at move 167
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . O X O O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . O O O X X O 1 . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . O O X X X X . X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . O X . O O O O O X X X . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . X O X . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O O X O O X . . X . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O O . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X . . . . O X . X . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X , . . . . O X . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X O O . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | O X O . . O X X . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . X . O O . O O X |
$$ | . X . O . O O O X X . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O O X X X X X . X X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O O O O X O . O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'd say my prospects are OK for the game (though the loss on the bottom was great).
...

Your cut is better than your alternative. It was your follow up that was suspect. Black 7 below is one continuation. We might call it the 'normal' way to play after 5. However, Black then does not even try to fight the ko. If Black wants to connect at 9 and 'a' as in the game, it is probably best to just play 7 at 9. That threatens a real ko so White answers in the corner anyway. Locally however...
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[go]$$Bc Game continuation
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . 3 8 7 0 . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . O X O O 1 6 . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . O O O X X O 2 5 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . O O X X X X 9 X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . O X a O O O O O X X X . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . X O X . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O O X O O X . . X . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O O . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X . . . . O X . X . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X , . . . . O X . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X O O . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | O X O . . O X X . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . X . O O . O O X |
$$ | . X . O . O O O X X . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O O X X X X X . X X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O O O O X O . O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The right way to make use of the marked stone is to atari with 1 and then tenuki (in this case 3). White can not hane at 4 due to shortage of liberties. Black can answer at 5. Cutting does not work as clearly shown below. White can not even connect 4. Black need not play 7 immediately if there are sufficient ko threats. In your alternative above White can still jump into the corner. This is clearly better.

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[go]$$Bc The right continuation in the corner
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . B 2 . 4 5 8 |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . O X O O X O 1 6 . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . O O O X X O O X 7 9 |
$$ | . . X O . . . O O X X X X 3 X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . O X . O O O O O X X X . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . X O X . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O O X O O X . . X . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O O . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X . . . . O X . X . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X , . . . . O X . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X O O . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | O X O . . O X X . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . X . O O . O O X |
$$ | . X . O . O O O X X . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O O X X X X X . X X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O O O O X O . O X O X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by Kirby »

Thanks, Charles and ez4u, for the comments. I particularly like your idea, ez4u, to attack the bottom right group.

You will have to excuse me for my absence - my work environment has changed, so it is difficult to play games at lunchtime...

It's a bit of a dilemma, which I haven't solved, yet... :scratch:
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EdLee wrote:
Kirby wrote:the Jin Chen Memorial Tournament in Seattle, and I plan to attend.
Hi Kirby, you're near Sesttle. For some reason I thought you were in Korea or on the east coast. :)


Yes, I live near Seattle. I have lived in Korea (for a short bit) in the past, and also in Michigan (and also in Japan and California) so maybe that's what threw you off. Michigan isn't exactly east coast, but closer than where you're at, I believe.

If you are ever in the area, ping me and we can see what we can do about meeting up!
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Kirby wrote:You will have to excuse me for my absence - my work environment has changed, so it is difficult to play games at lunchtime...
It's a bit of a dilemma, which I haven't solved, yet... :scratch:


I've come up with a tentative solution to my dilemma. I will simply play when I can, whether or not I can do it every day at lunchtime. I prefer having a regularly scheduled habit, but I guess I have to live with the circumstances I'm in right now.

With this in mind, I had some spare time last night. My kids were in bed, and my wife was teaching, so it was the perfect opportunity to play a game.

Well, at least with my schedule. I've been a bit sick - I don't know what the problem is. I've had a shallow cough that's lasted for about 3 weeks now. Nothing that serious, I guess, but it's just been dragging on and on. During the middle of this game, I had to step away, because I couldn't stop coughing. Maybe I should see the doctor soon.

Anyway, I can tell that I'm a bit out of shape, both physically, and on the go board. This game, I basically lost by 7.5 points, but my opponent decided to let me win at the end.




To summarize my review, I felt comfortable until the early middle game, but then I think he gained too much when I was sealed in in the top right. I focused on capturing three stones, but they were small compared to the big picture. I deserved to lose this game.
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by Kirby »

Key Points

Position 1
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[go]$$ Position at move 11
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think the marked move is too close. I should probably simply split:
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[go]$$ Position at move 11
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Position 2
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[go]$$ Position at move 55
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . a . X O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . B . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O O . . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O . . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The marked move must be wrong. It's simply too painful when white plays 'a'. Maybe I should simply make a base:
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[go]$$ Position at move 55
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . B . . X O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O O . . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O . . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I like to put pressure on his group, but moving out just seems to help him:
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[go]$$ Position at move 55
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . X O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . 1 O . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . 2 . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O O . . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O . . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I guess I like this way best:
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[go]$$ Position at move 55
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . B . . X O O X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O O . . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O . . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Position 3
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[go]$$ Position at move 65
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . B . X X O X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . O X X O O X X . X X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O O . . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O . . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The marked move helps my weak-ish group, but in retrospect, I think it is way too slow. I think it's more important to keep white split. When white sealed me in, as in the game, even though I got the 3 stones, he gained way too much. I think I need to keep him split:
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[go]$$ Position at move 65
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . O X X O O X X . X X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O O . . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O . . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Him sealing me in was just waaaay to good for him.

Position 4
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[go]$$ Position at move 91
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X O X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . O X X O O X X . X X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X X X X |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X O X O X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . B . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O O . . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O . . . X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After he sealed me in in sente, it was just too good for him. I feel the marked move above is questionable. Is it really the biggest area on the board? But I'm not sure where to play instead. I think this is the price I have to pay for playing so slack as described in Position 3.

Position 5
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[go]$$ Position at move 117
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X O X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . O X X O O X X . X X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . O . X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X X X X |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X O X O X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O B . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X . X O O . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O O O . O O O X . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O . . . X . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I misread the marked move, so I obviously paid for it.


These are the points that stick out to me. I lost some more points later in the game, but I was already under time pressure since I was trying to come back from these mistakes.

I think the biggest mistake was the one at Position 3. The move was slow, and I got sealed in way too easily. It made the game easier for him.
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by Charles Matthews »

General comment needed, I think. You have what I would call a "busy" style. It is not serving you well in some of these games you are posting.

For example, by :b43: in this game you have taken the four corners: and now you invade. Your position goes downhill quickly. You are looking at later improvements, but I think this play should be on the second line (slide) or on the fourth. It seems to me that to become stronger, you need to ask some questions about your perception.
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Charles Matthews wrote:General comment needed, I think. You have what I would call a "busy" style. It is not serving you well in some of these games you are posting.

For example, by :b43: in this game you have taken the four corners: and now you invade. Your position goes downhill quickly. You are looking at later improvements, but I think this play should be on the second line (slide) or on the fourth. It seems to me that to become stronger, you need to ask some questions about your perception.


Very interesting comment, Charles. Thank you for posting. I never considered the slide that you mention, and it seems much simpler - and I increase territory in the corner, too.

I am trying to understand what you mean by "busy style" and "perception". Since you used my invasion as an example, perhaps this equates to being greedy. Or maybe an inability to assess what is reasonable?

It is true that I often feel "busy", in that there are several areas of the board that I want to get before my opponent. But my feeling was that this was common to all go players. Perhaps not?
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Kirby wrote:I am trying to understand what you mean by "busy style" and "perception". Since you used my invasion as an example, perhaps this equates to being greedy. Or maybe an inability to assess what is reasonable?

It is true that I often feel "busy", in that there are several areas of the board that I want to get before my opponent. But my feeling was that this was common to all go players. Perhaps not?


Put it this way: you made a comment on :b11: in this game. I actually think you should play this in the top left corner: my perception is that the top left is the biggest area of the board. Instead you approach the one area of the board where you are clearly outnumbered. Why did you expect a good result there? This is the only place where White is strong.

Of the three areas for :b11: on the left side, namely (a) top left, (b) middle of side, (c) lower left, it seems you only considered (b) and (c). Of course if you play (a) there may be a complex variation. But in terms of "getting there before the opponent", preventing an enclosure is urgent. Option (b) prevents White making the whole of the left side into a framework: but really that needs two plays. Option (c) prevents White expanding the lower left corner.

Here (c) really is "greedy": it seems you don't want White to have any territory. If White extended from the lower left it would be over-concentrated.

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[go]$$ Position at move 45
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . 1 , O . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . 3 . . . . . 2 . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O O . . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X O . . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


For the top side, this would be my first thought, actually. You have a reasonable fighting position. though White can play at C7 in sente. I'm not saying "play passively".
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Post by Bill Spight »

I concur with Charles about :b11:. It is usually not so good to play where you are outnumbered, especially early in the game. After :b11: Black has one stone less than White in the vicinity, two stones less if we do not count the stone on L-03. How can you expect a good result? Making the more distant approach simply lessens the damage.
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Post by Kirby »

Thanks, guys. I definitely agree that :b11: was bad, and I felt that way immediately after he pincered. What I didn't know was that the splitting alternative I thought about during review was also bad.

I guess that I should keep my distance in this type of situation. Maybe it's partially greediness, and also partially that I am afraid when my opponent makes a framework.

Since he got a bit of a "wall", I was afraid of him putting it to use. But like Charles mentioned, white can't really "complete" the area in one move. So maybe this is my misunderstanding... :scratch:
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[go]$$ Position at move 11
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 O . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 , 6 . 4 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a , . . . . . , . . . . . 9 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . b . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So on the matter of perception, how this continuation look for Black? The upper left is joseki, and I think a very reasonable way for White to play this position.

If now White at a, Black at b.

I say Black is good here. It is a framework game, but Black's framework seems well organised. Recalling that Black starts, it should be good for Black to compete by building. White at c instead of a is an idea that is interesting in a large-scale game, but here it doesn't really seem in focus. Maybe White should play directly at b.

Anywy, Black gets a decent position calmly.
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by Kirby »

Charles Matthews wrote:
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[go]$$ Position at move 11
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 O . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 , 6 . 4 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a , . . . . . , . . . . . 9 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . b . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So on the matter of perception, how this continuation look for Black? The upper left is joseki, and I think a very reasonable way for White to play this position.

If now White at a, Black at b.

I say Black is good here. It is a framework game, but Black's framework seems well organised. Recalling that Black starts, it should be good for Black to compete by building. White at c instead of a is an idea that is interesting in a large-scale game, but here it doesn't really seem in focus. Maybe White should play directly at b.

Anywy, Black gets a decent position calmly.


It seems reasonable. I feel that, during the game, I am afraid of white's potential on the left. Even if black gets to play 'b', I don't really see black's position when I am playing black. I see what white has, and I want to take it away.

If I were playing as white, though, I would feel the opposite. I would be afraid of black's potential, and wouldn't be able to see what I could make on the left :-)
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal

Post by Kirby »

I had some time to play another game yesterday. I can tell that I am getting weaker. I left bad aji behind, because I made a silly reading mistake. I should have just defended solidly.

Here's the game, along with my review.



Perhaps I am getting weaker because I am not playing as often as I was before. I need to play more often, I think.
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