I considered the other points. I think I underestimated the severity of E16 or something. M17 was on my mind, was overly concerned about white being able to approach the bottom right from o3 perhaps.A beginner's journal of little interest
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Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Ed, I considered the other points. I think I underestimated the severity of E16 or something. M17 was on my mind, was overly concerned about white being able to approach the bottom right from o3 perhaps.
I considered the other points. I think I underestimated the severity of E16 or something. M17 was on my mind, was overly concerned about white being able to approach the bottom right from o3 perhaps.-
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Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Just a few comments on the moves which bothered me most:
What is the strategic purpose here? Surely this sort of contact play will make the weak R12 group stronger, which helps W more than B. In return, you get considerable thickness, but facing directly into the O15 stone. If the plan was to use the thickness to invade around M17, then it would make sense, but it does not look like you had any ambitions in that direction.
saves what appears to be the most worthless stone on the board. If W ignored ten other moves, allowing his group to be surrounded and reduced to one eye, so that this became the killing move, then it would be time to play here. Otherwise it is almost dame, or maybe even worse, as it converts a single weak stone into a larger weak group, which is no longer light enough to give up.
has no effect on the safety of any group. As a pure yose move, it is very small, maybe five points. If you pause and look around the board, I am sure you can find many larger places to play.
This would be a good time to pause and evaluate the whole board situation. Are there any weak groups? Are there any large invasion possibilities? What is the score estimate? Where are the largest remaining plays?
strikes first at a vital point, should win. Great move!
punishes a W mistake, should reverse win. Great move!
What is the strategic purpose here? Surely this sort of contact play will make the weak R12 group stronger, which helps W more than B. In return, you get considerable thickness, but facing directly into the O15 stone. If the plan was to use the thickness to invade around M17, then it would make sense, but it does not look like you had any ambitions in that direction. saves what appears to be the most worthless stone on the board. If W ignored ten other moves, allowing his group to be surrounded and reduced to one eye, so that this became the killing move, then it would be time to play here. Otherwise it is almost dame, or maybe even worse, as it converts a single weak stone into a larger weak group, which is no longer light enough to give up. has no effect on the safety of any group. As a pure yose move, it is very small, maybe five points. If you pause and look around the board, I am sure you can find many larger places to play.This would be a good time to pause and evaluate the whole board situation. Are there any weak groups? Are there any large invasion possibilities? What is the score estimate? Where are the largest remaining plays?
strikes first at a vital point, should win. Great move! punishes a W mistake, should reverse win. Great move!-
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Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
mitsun:
was a straight strategic and tactical blunder. I thought I'd get a better result and be able to invade at M16. After the sequence I was defeated psychologically there and didn't feel the fighting would go well for me if I invaded.
was me just responding automatically. I don't think I thought much about that move. Which is worse than what was behind I think.
was just tunnel vision on the local area. Another bad habit.
Thanks for the comments.
was a straight strategic and tactical blunder. I thought I'd get a better result and be able to invade at M16. After the sequence I was defeated psychologically there and didn't feel the fighting would go well for me if I invaded. was me just responding automatically. I don't think I thought much about that move. Which is worse than what was behind I think. was just tunnel vision on the local area. Another bad habit. Thanks for the comments.
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Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
It's only a game -- invade anyway, all the way to M17! You built enough thickness to support this invasion, so be consistent and go for it. Psychologically, won't it feel fantastic if your invasion is successful, backed up by the thickness you built, making it a high level leaning attack? Also psychologically, if the colors were reversed, and your opponent invaded here, would you not be worried? Finally, just from a fighting point of view, the invasion seems reasonable because you have three ways to run: jump out to M15, connect under at O18, dive in deeper around K17. That seems likely to provide enough play to get a good result.Boidhre wrote:mitsun:
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Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
mitsun wrote:It's only a game -- invade anyway, all the way to M17! You built enough thickness to support this invasion, so be consistent and go for it. Psychologically, won't it feel fantastic if your invasion is successful, backed up by the thickness you built, making it a high level leaning attack? Also psychologically, if the colors were reversed, and your opponent invaded here, would you not be worried? Finally, just from a fighting point of view, the invasion seems reasonable because you have three ways to run: jump out to M15, connect under at O18, dive in deeper around K17. That seems likely to provide enough play to get a good result.Boidhre wrote:mitsun:
Thanks mitsun, good advice. I let these things get to me too much.
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Another DGS game. I'm mostly concerned with the opening third of the game, I felt I played it quite poorly and I think I was more behind than I should have been after 
I can see some slow moves, I'm not sure I like 
, 
and I really dislike 
. Actually I dislike the whole sequence for white after 
so I'm suspecting that it was a poor choice. My opponent left me back into the game with some middlegame errors. I'm curious around white 104 if black's top group can be killed.
(game was played at 7k, not 6k, just 6k rank by the end)
It's been weird on DGS, my rank had dropped back to 12k so I had to play up but I've lost just one ranked game so far and that was with a clubmate. I expected to hit a brick wall sooner, DGS ranks were generally closer to EGF than KGS when I used to play there.
I can see some slow moves, I'm not sure I like , and I really dislike . Actually I dislike the whole sequence for white after so I'm suspecting that it was a poor choice. My opponent left me back into the game with some middlegame errors. I'm curious around white 104 if black's top group can be killed. (game was played at 7k, not 6k, just 6k rank by the end)
It's been weird on DGS, my rank had dropped back to 12k so I had to play up but I've lost just one ranked game so far and that was with a clubmate. I expected to hit a brick wall sooner, DGS ranks were generally closer to EGF than KGS when I used to play there.
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Hi Boidhre,
too early. End game move. You would play this much later, when the right side is 100% B's territory.
But it's still in the opening. You may want to jump in -- you don't know yet.
But this move will help B turn his right moyo into solid cash, make him much stronger there;
then you have much less aji to do anything there. Don't do this now.
did you consider B may counter attack and push-and-cut you ?
C5.
usually the first feeling is push up, at D9. If D9 doesn't work,
then you had better had other plans before you jumped in.
too early. End game move. You would play this much later, when the right side is 100% B's territory.But it's still in the opening. You may want to jump in -- you don't know yet.
But this move will help B turn his right moyo into solid cash, make him much stronger there;
then you have much less aji to do anything there. Don't do this now.
did you consider B may counter attack and push-and-cut you ? C5. usually the first feeling is push up, at D9. If D9 doesn't work,then you had better had other plans before you jumped in.
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Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
A messy start to the game, many mistakes to be sure.
Far from an even game but better to highlight my oversights perhaps. Some crucial mistakes in the early fighting left me struggling to maintain parity. To be expected but still something to learn from.
Far from an even game but better to highlight my oversights perhaps. Some crucial mistakes in the early fighting left me struggling to maintain parity. To be expected but still something to learn from.
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Hi Boidhre,
C10. When you played 
at G17, you were already going for speed.
Take care of C13 (
) now.
If C10 now, you have no weak groups. Compare to what happened in the game.
Another option is to hane inside (C16) on
-- connect to C13 ( ), give up G17 ( ).
seems slow. How about just turn. If W blocks, you hane, then tiger's mouth. Good for you; likely W would not play like this.
not the way to fight. E6.
too much. E6.
two siblings fighting each other (top and center groups); pushing from behind. Busy.
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bad habit; broken shape; pushing from behind -- all wrong.
good
L12. Which direction has better prospects for you ?
This also feels like a broken shape -- you hurt your E8 group, which should not have died, but did.
strange ? If you want to fight, hane T17. If you want to force him to live in the corner, extend to R15.
at least hane S14 and connect. In the game, W had a chance to connect under at T15.
before this you need to prepare. P15 first ?
if you had simply passed locally, W could not have got this result.
if you're sure your E8 group will not die, you can play like this. Else, just B4.
115 C1 better ?
125 why not G10 ?
127 why so scared ? N11.
129 very scared. M3.
C10. When you played at G17, you were already going for speed.Take care of C13 (
) now.If C10 now, you have no weak groups. Compare to what happened in the game.
Another option is to hane inside (C16) on
-- connect to C13 ( ), give up G17 ( ). seems slow. How about just turn. If W blocks, you hane, then tiger's mouth. Good for you; likely W would not play like this. not the way to fight. E6. too much. E6. two siblings fighting each other (top and center groups); pushing from behind. Busy. - bad habit; broken shape; pushing from behind -- all wrong. good L12. Which direction has better prospects for you ?This also feels like a broken shape -- you hurt your E8 group, which should not have died, but did.
strange ? If you want to fight, hane T17. If you want to force him to live in the corner, extend to R15. at least hane S14 and connect. In the game, W had a chance to connect under at T15. before this you need to prepare. P15 first ? if you had simply passed locally, W could not have got this result. if you're sure your E8 group will not die, you can play like this. Else, just B4. 115 C1 better ? 125 why not G10 ? 127 why so scared ? N11. 129 very scared. M3.-
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Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
What did you think about in rejecting the push and cut at 27? I am not sure that it's good but I am very much a "He can't get away with that!" type of player myself. It causes no end of grief but I wear my scars with pride. 
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Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Thanks Ed, plenty to chew on. Yes, too scared at the end, just very confused about what I was trying to do on the top of the board and yeah, I thought the E8 group was ok because of lazy reading and bad instincts...
I thought G12 threatened a lot more than it did. Still believing in free lunches I suppose.
ez4u wrote:What did you think about in rejecting the push and cut at 27? I am not sure that it's good but I am very much a "He can't get away with that!" type of player myself. It causes no end of grief but I wear my scars with pride.
I thought G12 threatened a lot more than it did. Still believing in free lunches I suppose.
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Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
I know I'd played that as a semi-trap, but I can't remember the reading I'd done for it. Probably something along these lines:
But I'm not sure if the marked Black stone just has too much aji for this. I was also considering just taking the key shape point directly, but I wasn't convinced that the bottom result had too much compensation for Black to make up for the left side. Was hard for me to evaluate - the first diagram where Black tries to stop the cut basically transposes, but the second is a very different game:
I know I'd also read the following:
Which in hindsight I'm not convinced with now. But if it doesn't work than I was a bit worried this
might be the easiest way to go?
But I'm not sure if the marked Black stone just has too much aji for this. I was also considering just taking the key shape point directly, but I wasn't convinced that the bottom result had too much compensation for Black to make up for the left side. Was hard for me to evaluate - the first diagram where Black tries to stop the cut basically transposes, but the second is a very different game:
I know I'd also read the following:
Which in hindsight I'm not convinced with now. But if it doesn't work than I was a bit worried this
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Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
I was thinking that the corner had a lot of aji left. For example...
But I've been wrong plenty of times before.
But I've been wrong plenty of times before.
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Yes, that was my concern too. I was actually feeling pretty miffed about the game at that point. I'd sort of got to the "I just want to settle everything" stage mentally, which fed into a bunch of silliness ( like my 32, which is just poor, and somewhat greedy)
In hindsight, the move I'd have changed probably would have been move 14 to D12 (wD12 bC11 wC12), but it felt too generous to Black at the time. Treating D4 as being able to contribute properly to a running fight while being all on its own was probably a mistake - I figured I'd get away with the standard "if bE6, wF4 and White's happy" type sequences, but with the way the fight above spread over the left side, I never really got the chance to build the lower side.
In hindsight, the move I'd have changed probably would have been move 14 to D12 (wD12 bC11 wC12), but it felt too generous to Black at the time. Treating D4 as being able to contribute properly to a running fight while being all on its own was probably a mistake - I figured I'd get away with the standard "if bE6, wF4 and White's happy" type sequences, but with the way the fight above spread over the left side, I never really got the chance to build the lower side.
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Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Despite the strength difference, Black managed to keep within striking distance well into the middle game.
Tip to both players. Think more about development.
Tip to both players. Think more about development.
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