Looking for a modern basic joseki book

[Subotai]

I am looking for a book that is a more updated version of 37 basic joseki from the elementary series. A book that ideally keeps to one volume and discusses the major joseki.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

[oren]

Why do you think 37 basic joseki is not up to date enough?

[RBerenguel]

Why do you think 37 basic joseki is not up to date enough?

Probably because it's missing one fundamental joseki

/joke

[oren]

Why do you think 37 basic joseki is not up to date enough?

Probably because it's missing one fundamental joseki

/joke

Good point. I forgot the title name myself.

[RBerenguel]

Why do you think 37 basic joseki is not up to date enough?

Probably because it's missing one fundamental joseki

/joke

Good point. I forgot the title name myself.

I had to google it to be sure, but 37 is prime and I would have remembered that at least

[Subotai]

I feel a lot of the moves are outdated as joseki has changed a bit these past few decades.

[Boidhre]

Do you mean a heavily commented one like 38 Basic Joseki? Or a book showing you variations with minimum comments?

[DrStraw]

I feel a lot of the moves are outdated as joseki has changed a bit these past few decades.

I don't know it is that josekis, at least at the kyu level, have changed as much as it is that news ones have been invented. But I would think that 38 Basic Joseki would be every bit as useful for the kyu player (and most dans) as any modern version.

[Boidhre]

I feel a lot of the moves are outdated as joseki has changed a bit these past few decades.

I don't know it is that josekis, at least at the kyu level, have changed as much as it is that news ones have been invented. But I would think that 38 Basic Joseki would be every bit as useful for the kyu player (and most dans) as any modern version.

Probably it's biggest flaw is that it deals almost totally with the low approach to 3-4 and in kyu games the high approach is far more common. In terms of high approach pincers it only covers one of black's responses to the low one space pincer.

[CnP]

I guess "Essential Joseki" (Yutopian Enterprises) might be considered an updated 38 basic joseki in that it's a single volume survey of joseki - but in practice it's a more complicated book (or at least I find it to be) and I think 38 basic joseki is a good place to start (and Essential Joseki is out of print I think). I haven't read Robert's joseki books but they might be worth considering too, e.g.

http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/EasyLearningJoseki.html

[EdLee]

How about Takao's ?

[oren]

How about Takao's ?

A book that ideally keeps to one volume and discusses the major joseki.

Doesn't keep to one volume, so I threw it out.

[Kirby]

I don't know it is that josekis, at least at the kyu level, have changed as much as it is that news ones have been invented.

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However, in certain circumstances, it can still be the best move. So I think learning joseki, old or new, can help you to recognize good shapes. When you know details of why a "new joseki" is better than an "old joseki", you understand both better. I think it's interesting, and educational to go through the history of joseki as it changes.

[EdLee]

Doesn't keep to one volume, so I threw it out.

Yes, but I don't know if Subotai knows about Takao's.
Regardless if he knows of its existence, maybe he'll change his mind about the ideally one volume thing.
Maybe he thinks it's worth it. Better to give him the options to decide for himself.

I happen to find Takao (and its predecessor, Ishida) excellent.
So my preference is to suggest something nice.

Different strokes.

[Boidhre]

Doesn't keep to one volume, so I threw it out.

Yes, but I don't know if Subotai knows about Takao's.
Regardless if he knows of its existence, maybe he'll change his mind about the ideally one volume thing.
Maybe he thinks it's worth it. Better to give him the options to decide for himself.

I happen to find Takao (and its predecessor, Ishida) excellent.
So my preference is to suggest something nice.

Different strokes.

I was curious about Takao vs Ishida. Easier for me to get a hold of Ishida.