low pincer, descent after attach

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:29 am

What do you think about this descent for black? How would you respond as white?

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Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:36 am

q16 and then black should probably play r13 and it reverts to the more common joseki where black plays r13 first.

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:58 am

In the game I played black responded this way:

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If white connects here it seems worse than the other joseki

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I was thinking about some kind of sacrifice strategy, but I'm not sure...

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Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:47 am

Yes taking the outside thickness is a good idea, but play 4 at 6 directly, it's a difference of almost a move as black will need to come back and cut and then you can play a better move than dieing in gote in the corner.

MMaestro · Post by **MMaestro** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:28 pm

I would just answer at P18 and make miai of S17 and L17. But the variation you give is possible too. Hane at 6 directly is better as uberdude says. Because after the cut, W can descend to R18 to make better use of the corner aji.

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