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Winning Mindset

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I find that, at times, I can have good concentration at some point in my game.

But as the game is long, at some point, I almost inevitably let up on concentration for a bit - sometimes at a crucial moment. For example, my opponent may threaten the life of my group mid-game, and sometimes, I just play without reading, even if I have been trying to read earlier.

What strategies do you use to maintain concentration throughout the WHOLE game? Or at least for critical moments?
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Re: Winning Mindset

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Stronger players are strong because their concentration remains solid throughout the game.
they can do that because they will disregard all reading that is not needed.

I do not read toomuch unless it is the crucial moment. (i am lazy)
I can do that because my reading consist of less variations than weaker players.
Professional's reading consist of even less variations than my reading because they dont consider many moves that i would consider.

I replied before that you consider toomany variations.
If you think less on your variations, your mind will have less stress and can concentrate more.

conclusion: you need to improve your reading in order for your mind to concentrate.
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Concentration is probably easier to turn off than on, and the main difficulty is recognizing when those crucial moments arrive. If we can learn to recognize such moments like the ding ding ding at a train crossing, then it is not to difficult to turn on the concentration. Unfortunately, we often don't see the signals until it's too late. What are the signals? One I've learned to recognize is when a string has or might soon have three liberties. ding ding ding! Another is when an opponent is one move off from sealing a moyo. ding ding ding! Hm. I know there are some more... crunch.
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Re: Winning Mindset

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Magicwand wrote:Stronger players are strong because their concentration remains solid throughout the game.
they can do that because they will disregard all reading that is not needed.

I do not read toomuch unless it is the crucial moment. (i am lazy)
I can do that because my reading consist of less variations than weaker players.
Professional's reading consist of even less variations than my reading because they dont consider many moves that i would consider.

I replied before that you consider toomany variations.
If you think less on your variations, your mind will have less stress and can concentrate more.

conclusion: you need to improve your reading in order for your mind to concentrate.

But what if your opponent(on similar level) is not lazy? :P
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Relaxation is important. If you strain to maintain concentration, you will almost surely lose it over the course of a game. Relaxation and concentration go together. :)

You also need a dash of patience. For one thing, so that you do not make thoughtless plays. Impatience may be more the cause of thoughtless plays than lack of concentration.

Renowned hypnotherapist Milton Erickson at one time helped to train the US rifle team. OC, you want to focus on the target (a form of concentration). But tightening your muscles to keep the gun still is not the solution. Muscles are not made to be that rigid. Rather, Erickson advised the shooters to relax and to watch and wait patiently as the gun sight moved around. Then, when sight lined up properly with the target, to pull the trigger.

Also see autogenics. :)
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andreyl wrote:
Magicwand wrote:Stronger players are strong because their concentration remains solid throughout the game.
they can do that because they will disregard all reading that is not needed.

I do not read toomuch unless it is the crucial moment. (i am lazy)
I can do that because my reading consist of less variations than weaker players.
Professional's reading consist of even less variations than my reading because they dont consider many moves that i would consider.

I replied before that you consider toomany variations.
If you think less on your variations, your mind will have less stress and can concentrate more.

conclusion: you need to improve your reading in order for your mind to concentrate.

But what if your opponent(on similar level) is not lazy? :P


If they are on similar levels, they should get similar results. :)
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@Magicwand:
I agree that stronger players may not read out useless variations - in that sense, they may read less.

But I don't think the answer for a weaker player is to read less - then they will just read a little bit of a useless variation - they are still not reading good variations.

Yes, my reading should be improved, though.
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Bill Spight wrote:
You also need a dash of patience. For one thing, so that you do not make thoughtless plays. Impatience may be more the cause of thoughtless plays than lack of concentration.



I have been losing a lot of games recently where I build up a huge lead and then losing everything due to a single thoughtless move. But isn't playing thoughtless moves a symptom of a lack of concentration. It is at least a failure to concentrate on what you should (like checking to see what your opponent actually played and if they might have actually have had a reason to play there). I often find myself falling into this trap when I am ahead and feel assured of my victory. I start blitzing when I have plenty of time left - maybe in some doomed attempt to speed my way to victory. Unfortunately, I don't have any tips or tactics to combat this impulse other than trying to be aware of it. It does seem to be more prevalent when playing online. It is much easier to click a careless move than it is to remove a stone from your bowl and physically place it on the board. So maybe play your internet games on a real board as you go along?
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Kirby wrote:@Magicwand:
I agree that stronger players may not read out useless variations - in that sense, they may read less.

But I don't think the answer for a weaker player is to read less - then they will just read a little bit of a useless variation - they are still not reading good variations.


I have a somewhat different take that Magicwand, but in general I agree, most weaker players -- among whom I would not include you, Kirby -- spend too much time and effort reading during a game.

Reading is not a single thing, and requires more than one skill. Many people assume that it means the calculation of variations. In terms of the calculation of variations, it is well known that, to speak in computerese, humans have a shallow stack. That means that depth first search is easier for humans than breadth first search. All of this stuff about practice reading ladders has to do with depth first search. But with ladders there is almost always only one choice of play.

It is a truism that weak players make bad plays. What happens when a weak player makes a depth first search? Many, if not most of the branches taken in the search are the wrong ones. How does that help? In addition, the wrong choices are reinforced through practice. That is not good. Weak players would do better to make broader, shallower searches. They might find some good plays. :)

Yes, my reading should be improved, though.


But which of your reading skills need development?
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DJLLAP wrote:
Bill Spight wrote:
You also need a dash of patience. For one thing, so that you do not make thoughtless plays. Impatience may be more the cause of thoughtless plays than lack of concentration.



I have been losing a lot of games recently where I build up a huge lead and then losing everything due to a single thoughtless move. But isn't playing thoughtless moves a symptom of a lack of concentration.


Everybody is different. :)

It is at least a failure to concentrate on what you should (like checking to see what your opponent actually played and if they might have actually have had a reason to play there).


Having a checklist is not a bad idea. :) Why did my opponent make that play? should be on every checklist.

I often find myself falling into this trap when I am ahead and feel assured of my victory. I start blitzing when I have plenty of time left - maybe in some doomed attempt to speed my way to victory.


Well, that sounds like impatience. :)

Unfortunately, I don't have any tips or tactics to combat this impulse other than trying to be aware of it. It does seem to be more prevalent when playing online. It is much easier to click a careless move than it is to remove a stone from your bowl and physically place it on the board. So maybe play your internet games on a real board as you go along?


General advice that applies to every board game I know:

Sit on your hands.

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Kirby wrote:I find that, at times, I can have good concentration at some point in my game.

But as the game is long, at some point, I almost inevitably let up on concentration for a bit - sometimes at a crucial moment. For example, my opponent may threaten the life of my group mid-game, and sometimes, I just play without reading, even if I have been trying to read earlier.

What strategies do you use to maintain concentration throughout the WHOLE game? Or at least for critical moments?

We struggle with our opponents throughout the game. It is not so much that we lose our concentration at critical moments. Rather, we lose our concentration and fail to play correctly, creating critical moments through our weak plays. So do not look for ways to spot critical moments but rather ways to maintain a steady concentration throughout the game.
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Bill Spight wrote:But which of your reading skills need development?


From what I gather from your advice, I would think that the following areas need improvement:
1.) I should consider a wider set of moves. If it is true that I am subject to reinforcing bad moves, then perhaps it's because of using this depth first search instead of breadth first search.

2.) Perhaps I need more patience.

Do you agree?

For #1, the only remedy I see is to consciously try to select from a wider set of moves, even when certain selections seem more appealing.

For #2... :scratch:... :-)
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ez4u wrote:
Kirby wrote:I find that, at times, I can have good concentration at some point in my game.

But as the game is long, at some point, I almost inevitably let up on concentration for a bit - sometimes at a crucial moment. For example, my opponent may threaten the life of my group mid-game, and sometimes, I just play without reading, even if I have been trying to read earlier.

What strategies do you use to maintain concentration throughout the WHOLE game? Or at least for critical moments?

We struggle with our opponents throughout the game. It is not so much that we lose our concentration at critical moments. Rather, we lose our concentration and fail to play correctly, creating critical moments through our weak plays. So do not look for ways to spot critical moments but rather ways to maintain a steady concentration throughout the game.


Good point. Probably I realize the problem after it's a problem.
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Something I subjectively feel is true (but have no data backing up) is that top competitors tend to fall into two camps: they're either stoic and unflappable, taking setbacks and advantages in stride; or they're fierce competitors who desperately want to win anything with a hint of competition to it.

The rest of us, I believe, wander between emotional states in and between games. We're noncommittal because this is just a friendly game, then excited we made a good exchange, then worried about our pride if we screw up, but then we realize that's bad and become brazen, and on and on.

All these variable emotions make it hard for our minds to optimize how it approaches go. When we're excited, we might become prone to overlook the effect of our opponents moves. When we're worried, we might become too fixated on the effects of our opponents moves. If we get a big boost of dopamine from an early lead, the following 'crash' might leave us feeling distracted and unable to concentrate on reading.

If you approach the game with a level emotional keel, not getting excited at good moves or upset at bad ones, I think it's easier to play a good game. On the flip side, if every game is critical to you, if every move is an opportunity that must be exploited to its fullest, then you're still approaching the whole game consistently, so it's easier to optimize your approach to the game. It's the variation I think that gets us in trouble.
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Kirby wrote:
Bill Spight wrote:But which of your reading skills need development?


From what I gather from your advice, I would think that the following areas need improvement:
1.) I should consider a wider set of moves. If it is true that I am subject to reinforcing bad moves, then perhaps it's because of using this depth first search instead of breadth first search.

2.) Perhaps I need more patience.

Do you agree?

For #1, the only remedy I see is to consciously try to select from a wider set of moves, even when certain selections seem more appealing.

For #2... :scratch:... :-)


For 1.) I can recommend replaying pro games. It may take a while (patience!) until you have build up a sufficient repertoire (probably mostly unconciously) of moves in certain situations but until then you can enjoy their moves and see/learn a lot of other stuff, too.
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