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[go]$$Bcm41
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . c . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 . 4 . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . 0 8 . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . 7 O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 5 9 X . . . . . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I put quite a lot of reading into this move. Not just for this local sequence, but also where to go next when I get sente. I really think I need sente to build something significant in the center. Here is what I think will happen locally, afterward I want to play "a". If B responds at B to reduce the center I think it is very dangerous for B's left side group. "c" i really calling out to me, but it is a very gote move, so I want to make sure I get some attacking done before I grab it.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 6 5 X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . 8 4 1 O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . 3 2 X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . b . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . a X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm51
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm51
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm51
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . 3 O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Really? That feels toothpasty, maybe I'm missing something :-?
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Mi-mi-mi-mi-mee!

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Toothpaste in my eyes can make me cry.

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[go]$$Bcm51
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . 3 O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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I want to think about this. First instinct says "just extend", but I need to compare these two diagrams:


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[go]$$Bcm51
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 6 4 B . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . 7 5 3 O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


... and ...

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[go]$$Bcm51
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 5 4 B . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . 7 3 O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


In both cases the marked stone has lost most of its aji. In the first diagram, I'd be very fond of it if there was something particularly nasty against the lower left corner, but there doesn't seem to be other than the obvious (open skirt, monkey jump, yada yada yada). It leaves a bit more aji in the marked stone too, so it's my choice right now, but ... yeah, it also gives White a bit more points and stability in the upper middle. So I want to have a bit of a further think.
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[go]$$Bcm51
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . 5 3 O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I think I found what I was looking for. Will see what he does next!
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[go]$$Bcm51
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . 5 3 O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 6 X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


As planned.
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[go]$$Bcm51
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . 5 3 O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . 7 . . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 6 X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Well, this promises to be fun :)
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[go]$$Bcm51
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . 5 3 O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . 7 8 . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 6 X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I started reading out variations, but there were so many I got tired. I tested for 'a', 'b', and 'c'. We'll see how it goes.

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[go]$$Bcm51
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . 5 3 O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . c 7 8 . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . a 6 X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . b . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . 5 3 O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . 7 8 . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 6 X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 9 . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Some of the reading here is hideous. It's all about exact liberties, and frankly, so easy to bodge up badly.

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[go]$$Bcm51
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . 5 3 O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . a 7 8 . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 0 6 X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 9 . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This is my next move for those interested. The atari looks crude, but I needed to prevent the below diagram from being too painful. I'm sure there was a more elegant way to approach this, even simply hane-ing underneath, but that just seemed to lack fighting spirit somehow

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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . 1 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O O X 2 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X 3 4 X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Without the atari, I just can't prevent this... now I have some interesting resources:

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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . 1 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O O X 2 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 8 X 3 4 X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 0 9 6 5 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm71
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . b . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . a X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . 9 . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O 8 O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 5 O O X O . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . b . 3 X . O X X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O 4 2 6 O X C X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


The extension at "a" is now sente I think, opening up both "b" moves, so living isn't a problem. I'm not too worried about him getting that group at the bottom in exchange for running into the centre. Particularly as if I make D10 a viable move, he has to be careful of his own central group. Moves like :w76: can't be omitted due to shortage of liberties problems. I'll be honest though, this is a bit of a mess!
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Re: #252 djllap vs topazg

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[go]$$Bcm51
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . 5 3 O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . 7 8 . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 0 6 X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 9 . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This is the only answer that looks satisfactory. It is very complicated though. Especially since the bottom left corner enters into the fighting.
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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . O O X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Having re-read my other sequences, I'm going to "exchange" this first I think. I should probably have done this before the other exchanges, but my reading wasn't up to the task originally. I have "exchange" in quotes because technically White can ignore this. I can turn it into a ko for the entire corner though, with 3 local threats for White, so I'm quietly hopeful that I should be able to either profit in a big way in the corner, or get to eat White's two invady stones.... Lots of complications ahead!
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