60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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Nigiri (number of white stones I chose):
:white: :white: :white: :white: :white: :white:
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Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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I say even :black: :black:.

*checks* Looks like I'm black.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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Good luck and have fun!

So, how y'all doin'? Let's talk a bit about my opening ... I'm not very good with it. I seem to have two modes of play: local and overplay.

It's time I tried something new. I think I'll try playing a Nirensei opening.
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Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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Have fun! :)

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[go]$$Wcm2 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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I instinctively opened your hidden comment and then quickly closed it again, when I realized, that I'm not supposed to read your comments in this game! :D

Let's leave him the choice of playing a diagonal fuseki! I don't have a plan for the opening yet, but I don't want him to get a big moyo! I'm not good at reducing moyos!
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Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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[go]$$Bcm3 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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Heh, not to worry, it was only a comment about the perfect move. ;)

Feels odd to play this opening. The 4-4 is supposed to be flexible and quick to develop. I personally am much more comfortable with the flexibility (and complexity) of the 3-4. However, I keep saying in these games that I want to try and play a solid and calm game. It hasn't happened yet, so maybe this will drive the game in a new and (hopefully) more peaceful direction. :D ... I doubt it, though ...
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[go]$$Wcm4 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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This one – compared to D3 – does not give black a perfect approach to my corner! I didn't want to play another 4-4, because I don't like the symmetry and I also want to make him approach my lower left instead of playing sanrensei!
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[go]$$Bcm5 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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The question is ... should I approach high or low? Playing on the 3rd line in the opening is a territory-oriented move, usually. I've had some success lately in trying to play a balanced game in the opening, trying not to keep the number of 3rd and 4th line plays roughly equal.

Since I've played two 4-4 stones in this game, I think I'll try playing the low approach. I should be able to end in sente and make another big move.

One thing I should probably avoid is over-zealous tenukis like in my previous Malkovich game against Redundant. I took some pretty big points, but left my group horribly weak, and gave Redundant multiple groups of stones he could then attack for profit. Since I want a solid and peaceful game, I should try to keep the number of weak groups I make to a minimum.

Easier said than done ...
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[go]$$Wcm6 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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Let's play peaceful here! Getting sente would be ideal!
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[go]$$Bcm7 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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Alright, White is playing a peaceful move. To be honest, I thought I'd be pincered.

Here's what I hope will happen from here. It's a pretty common continuation.

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[go]$$Bcm7 Part 1
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[go]$$Bcm17 Part 2
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I get sente back with :b25: ... will he jump in with :w8: ? The other possibility is:

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[go]$$Bcm7 Peaceful
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I'm not sure where I'd go after this ... Is 7 worth protecting at this juncture? Do I try a tenuki? Where? I'll have to think about it if it comes up.
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[go]$$Wcm8 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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Was his last move joseki? It's too tempting to jump in, I can't resist! :)
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[go]$$Bcm9 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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And so it begins ... let's see if he deviates from what I expect.
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Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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[go]$$Wcm10 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X . O . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't know much about tewari, but this might be an example of it! In case he plays the natural response E4, then his marked stone looks misplaced!

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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , 1 . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is the same as if this sequence is played, in which you'd rather play :b4: at 'a'!

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , 2 . a . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X . 3 . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's see if he has a different response prepared :)
In any case, D3 gives me a solid corner and a follow-up at E4 if he tenukis!
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Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X 1 O . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That was unexpected. Can't say it's wrong, though. As Magicwand is fond of pointing out: "one stone is aji".

There are a few ideas that went through my mind when I saw White's move. First of all, it's usually a good idea to respond to a kick:

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[go]$$Bcm1 When kicked, stand up
$$ . . . . . . 4 . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ , . . . 3 . O . . . |
$$ . . . . 1 2 . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------[/go]


I'm sure we've all seen this before. :w2: is the "kick", to which Black needs to respond. Black needs to strengthen :b1:, and so "stands up" with :b3: .

What about in the game, though?

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[go]$$Wcm10 Stand Up Here?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , 2 . b a . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X . @ . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . # . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Look at the :bs: stone ... I would expect it to be at either a or b, since the exchange of :w10: and :b11: make me strong. :bs: in relation to :ws: seems slack. Consider the moves in a different order (tewari? Someone tell me if that's the right term):

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[go]$$Wcm1 Another way to reach the same position
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , 2 . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X . 5 . 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I admit ... :w5: in this diagram looks like a terrible move. However, the response of :b6: is needlessly defensive.

Still, E5 doesn't look bad. However, that's just the first option. I can think of at least one other:

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[go]$$Wcm10 Wedge?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X 2 @ . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I THINK this is considered a "wedge" though my terminology might be wrong. I'm "wedging" between :ws: and :w1: to keep them separated. :ws: becomes a single stone ... aji for W to try and use later. However, I'm more or less settled with my group, which is what I want to try and do with my groups in this game.

In all cases, though, I think it is White's turn to tenuki now. He's secure in the lower left corner and :ws: is an unimportant stone right now.
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Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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[go]$$Wcm12 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . 1 . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This looks strange! I'm going to pull my stone out, because it is sente (threatens to cut his group) and because if I tenuki and he plays there later, his group becomes really strong! If I save my stone, it's weak – not weak enough to be killed, but weak enough to make profit by attacking it!
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Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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[go]$$Bcm13 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm connected now ... and I'd say I'm pretty settled.

I'm not sure I agree with White's move here, but I can't really find a fault in it. I'm forced to settle my group, so White keeps sente. However, I'm still not convinced that White's G3 and G4 stones are very valuable, and he's forcing me to make my more valuable group safer by threatening to cut immediately. It's a minor thing ... maybe I just like the idea that White could play at :b13: sometime later to better use the aji of the G3 stone.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Possible activation of aji at a later time?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't like wasting aji. :D

Moving on, looking to the future moves, the bottom no longer looks very appealing for White. Black has hunkered down and made some territory there, and the bottom will have to be shared between the players (boo! I want it all! ;) ).

So, what's left? Here comes a whole bunch of lower-case letters!

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[go]$$Wcm1 Next Move?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . g . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . b , . . . . . , . . . . . e . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . @ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . X . . . . f . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


First, I want to talk about 'a' (C8). I have watched a few lessons on KGS given by shygost, and one of the things I've taken out of those is the idea of "finishing" a local play. The idea is that a local group is "unfinished" in the opening unless to extend to a point on the 3rd line. The reasoning is that if you leave a group with a termination point on the 4th line (like :ws: in the diagram), you leave a point of attack for your opponent. The simplest example to demonstrate is the difference between the two most basic joseki I know:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Two 4-4 joseki
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . C . . . . . . y . x . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . C . . . . . , . . . 2 . # . 3 . |
$$ | . . . . C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . C . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . C . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . C . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . |
$$ | . . . Y . . . . . , . . . . . C . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . 1 . . 5 . . . . . . . C . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . C . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's compare :b2: in both corners. In the upper right (around :bs: ), :b2: is played high, on the 4th line. After :w5: , Black's group can still be attacked around 'x' (M17). However, Black can play at 'y' (K17), using his initial 4-4 ( :bs: ) to reach far along the top side. The downside is that Black gives up sente. Sente is a big advantage throughout the game, and it's important to look for opportunities to keep sente when you can ... especially in the opening of the game. For this reason, many players will play on the 3rd line for :b2: unless they have an important reason not to (for instance, if Black already has a stone at K17).

Now look at the lower left (around :bt: ). Here, :b2: is played on the 3rd line. After :w5:, Black can't be so easily attacked. It's a smaller piece of territory that Black is trying to swallow, but Black gets sente and can then move on to bigger moves around the board.

Back to the game:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Next Move?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . e . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . f . . . . . . . . . . . . . g . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . b , . . . . . , . . . . . d . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . @ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . X . . . . c . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
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White could stretch out towards 'b' (C10) to try and "finish" the local plays. While it feels like a big move to me, White will not keep sente that way. Considering 'c' (O3) is a big move for Black, White will want to make sure to get as much out of the next few moves as possible. In addition, the attack at 'a' is just not very profitable for Black yet. There are more open parts of the board to play in (more on this idea in a moment).


Playing at 'c' himself, or at 'd' (Q10), or even the wedge at 'e' (K17) are all fairly big, but again do not keep sente.

The moves 'f' (C14) and 'g' (R14) make more sense to me for White to play. As Black, I will try to regain sente if I can, but I feel at this stage of the game it is important for me to respond locally to either of these. White then gets the chance to fight to keep sente himself.

So, which will he play? There's a common wisdom that says you should "play away from strength" in the opening, which refers to both your own and your opponent's strong groups. In addition, the most open side is the right side. The idea behind playing in a more open area of the board is that they provide the most potential for gaining points. Each move you make in a local area has less potential to make territory than the previous move in that area ... it is naturally limited by the potential of the previous local moves, and also puts its own limitations on the potential of those previous moves as well. To make your stones as efficient as possible, you want to spread your potential across the board as much as possible so as not to fall behind your opponent.

This is a difficult idea to use well, since it's not easy to calculate potential, and when your stones are weak they can be attacked and exploited by your opponent. Trust me, I may know the theory but in practice I fall flat on my face when I try to apply it, more often than not.

Given this idea, though, I suspect my opponent will play at 'g' (R14) because it is the more open side and may allow him to take a nice bit of potential there.

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:bs: is :b23: and :ws: is :w24: ... In this thought, Black gives up the corner in a pincer, then sets up a wall from which to approach at 'a'. This would suit me fine, but it's only one possibility. It is up to my opponent to decide how he'd like to play.

I've rambled enough. Let me know if there are any questions!
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Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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Put some pressure on the group! Will read after he answers :)
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