Regarding reading: The important part for me is chosing the right lines to read. Every beginner can read out ladders with a couple of douzen moves - without much practice. The reason is that there is always just one candidate move, which is the best move and the result, when you capture the stones, is always good.
In normal game situations the evaluation is far more complex, so is finding the right candidate moves. I guess, I can read up to 15 moves if I so choose, albeit what I read would be mostly complete nonsense. So I don't read 15 moves in normal situations. Mostly I read up to 5 moves because up to that I have decent confidence that I'm not completely wrong (though I still am sometimes).
Path to 9Dan, step by step.
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This might be in the top 5 games I've ever played all time. I was down about 50-60 points and I managed to come back and win the game against a 7kyu (it was a 2 handi, full 6.5 komi game). Games like this is why I strive to become stronger and better at baduk.
On a note I had my best game against my dad ever last night - Lost by only 9 points with a 15 stone handi x)
On a note I had my best game against my dad ever last night - Lost by only 9 points with a 15 stone handi x)
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Re: Path to 9Dan, step by step.
Oops in that reviewed game i posted above,i realize where i said 'this is gote' the stones are actually in a snapback. Seems like i had a chance to kill that entire white group but i missed it 
Ignoring this blip... my reading really has improved believe it or not - I just scored 95% on 2nd runthrough of GGPB Vol. 3 (the problems i had missed before). I was solving them so instantaneously too. I never really thought that i had improved all too significantly but i have. that's a good feeling
Ignoring this blip... my reading really has improved believe it or not - I just scored 95% on 2nd runthrough of GGPB Vol. 3 (the problems i had missed before). I was solving them so instantaneously too. I never really thought that i had improved all too significantly but i have. that's a good feeling
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Re: Path to 9Dan, step by step.
Recycling problem sets are quite boring... So i am keeping myself entertained by doing GGPB Vol. 4 and Lee Changho Tesuji/L&D Vol 1 and 2 respectively of each before bedtime, and doing the recycling during the day.
I recycled Get Strong at Tesuji today - I still missed quite alot of the 4 star problems, and some 3 star problems as well but finished with 83% accuracy overall.
On a side note, I picked up a copy of 501 Tesuji Problems, Get Strong at the Endgame, and Vital Points for Skillful Sabaki at a yard sale today for 1 dollar each. What a steal. Will work on these when I get a bit stronger.
So i am keeping myself entertained by doing GGPB Vol. 4 and Lee Changho Tesuji/L&D Vol 1 and 2 respectively of each before bedtime, and doing the recycling during the day.I recycled Get Strong at Tesuji today - I still missed quite alot of the 4 star problems, and some 3 star problems as well but finished with 83% accuracy overall.
On a side note, I picked up a copy of 501 Tesuji Problems, Get Strong at the Endgame, and Vital Points for Skillful Sabaki at a yard sale today for 1 dollar each. What a steal. Will work on these when I get a bit stronger.
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Re: Path to 9Dan, step by step.
Maybe you review them too soon? How many books/problems did you solve in between?
I'm going through Get Strong at Tesuji as well at the moment and I still learn a lot from the problems. Though the last time I did them was a couple of years back, I guess.
E.g. these two 3-star-problems:
In the top right I was quite lost. I only knew what the bad moves would be but I didn't the see the correct one, probably due to "shape reasons".
In the bottom left I figured that there could only be one sensible candidate move but I didn't see White's strongest response (move 4 in the main sequence).
Seeing the right move in the top right and figuring out why there could be only one sensible move in the bottom left was already worthwhile. For me these "tiny things" are very important. Since these are quite easy problems, they show me that I lack certain basics and I feel without those basics everything more advanced would be - at best - standing on very shaky ground.
501 Tesuji Problems is also on my list : )
I'm going through Get Strong at Tesuji as well at the moment and I still learn a lot from the problems. Though the last time I did them was a couple of years back, I guess.
E.g. these two 3-star-problems:
In the top right I was quite lost. I only knew what the bad moves would be but I didn't the see the correct one, probably due to "shape reasons".
In the bottom left I figured that there could only be one sensible candidate move but I didn't see White's strongest response (move 4 in the main sequence).
Seeing the right move in the top right and figuring out why there could be only one sensible move in the bottom left was already worthwhile. For me these "tiny things" are very important. Since these are quite easy problems, they show me that I lack certain basics and I feel without those basics everything more advanced would be - at best - standing on very shaky ground.
501 Tesuji Problems is also on my list : )
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Re: Path to 9Dan, step by step.
Perhaps - Its been about 2 weeks since i finished the book my first time. In between I finished a couple other problem solving books - I've done alot of tsumego recently partly thanks to the fact it is summer break.
Interestingly enough I was able to solve those 2 problems straightaway. But yes I see your point about the basics - I feel absolutely the same way about the problems i happen to miss as well. If anything, not having hints to look at makes the problems much much more difficult. I think this is why I like the Lee Chang Ho problem sets because its all in chinese and I dont understand a word of it! I took a glance through 501 tesuji problems... and they seem quite difficult. definitely not at my level yet
Interestingly enough I was able to solve those 2 problems straightaway. But yes I see your point about the basics - I feel absolutely the same way about the problems i happen to miss as well. If anything, not having hints to look at makes the problems much much more difficult. I think this is why I like the Lee Chang Ho problem sets because its all in chinese and I dont understand a word of it! I took a glance through 501 tesuji problems... and they seem quite difficult. definitely not at my level yet
SoDesuNe wrote:Maybe you review them too soon? How many books/problems did you solve in between?
I'm going through Get Strong at Tesuji as well at the moment and I still learn a lot from the problems. Though the last time I did them was a couple of years back, I guess.
E.g. these two 3-star-problems:
In the top right I was quite lost. I only knew what the bad moves would be but I didn't the see the correct one, probably due to "shape reasons".
In the bottom left I figured that there could only be one sensible candidate move but I didn't see White's strongest response (move 4 in the main sequence).
Seeing the right move in the top right and figuring out why there could be only one sensible move in the bottom left was already worthwhile. For me these "tiny things" are very important. Since these are quite easy problems, they show me that I lack certain basics and I feel without those basics everything more advanced would be - at best - standing on very shaky ground.
501 Tesuji Problems is also on my list : )
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Using the money I got from private tutoring, i ordered a yearly service of BadukTV today... hehe this is going to be my source of pleasure and learning for an entire year now
I am thinking about going through Expert's Haengma, Catching Up to 3 Kyu, Real Power 3 kyu, and Intermediate Maek X-Files. I went through catching up to 5kyu a while back (found the whole thing for free on some korean blog), and I loved how concise and short they were - 15 minutes each that taught me quite alot about the 2-Star and 3-Star openings. I think this will be perfect for when I go back to school and I don't have as much time to focus devote to studying.
I am thinking about going through Expert's Haengma, Catching Up to 3 Kyu, Real Power 3 kyu, and Intermediate Maek X-Files. I went through catching up to 5kyu a while back (found the whole thing for free on some korean blog), and I loved how concise and short they were - 15 minutes each that taught me quite alot about the 2-Star and 3-Star openings. I think this will be perfect for when I go back to school and I don't have as much time to focus devote to studying.
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Re: Path to 9Dan, step by step.
Is it in English or Korean?
hl782 wrote:Using the money I got from private tutoring, i ordered a yearly service of BadukTV today... hehe this is going to be my source of pleasure and learning for an entire year now
I am thinking about going through Expert's Haengma, Catching Up to 3 Kyu, Real Power 3 kyu, and Intermediate Maek X-Files. I went through catching up to 5kyu a while back (found the whole thing for free on some korean blog), and I loved how concise and short they were - 15 minutes each that taught me quite alot about the 2-Star and 3-Star openings. I think this will be perfect for when I go back to school and I don't have as much time to focus devote to studying.
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It's all in korean. I'm 100% fluent at korean so its nice
PlaySlow wrote:Is it in English or Korean?hl782 wrote:Using the money I got from private tutoring, i ordered a yearly service of BadukTV today... hehe this is going to be my source of pleasure and learning for an entire year now
I am thinking about going through Expert's Haengma, Catching Up to 3 Kyu, Real Power 3 kyu, and Intermediate Maek X-Files. I went through catching up to 5kyu a while back (found the whole thing for free on some korean blog), and I loved how concise and short they were - 15 minutes each that taught me quite alot about the 2-Star and 3-Star openings. I think this will be perfect for when I go back to school and I don't have as much time to focus devote to studying.
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Very bad Go day today - I played 3 games, 2 ranked - 1 free - Lost them all.
The 1st ranked game, I was simply outplayed. I didn't attack correctly, etc. Attached is a review of the game I did with my friend hikky. I learned quite a bit from it.
The 2nd game, was absolute garbage on my part. I managed to kill a corner in the beginning and started well. Then in the middle game, I was about to kill another group of his - but made a critical mistake by atari-ing from the wrong side... and I lost my cool. I made just about every endgame mistake possible and resulted in almost all my groups dying. It was pathetic. It may have been the worst game of go i think i've ever played - considering I played possibly my best/memorable game just a few days ago, this is really disappointing...
The 3rd game, I lost, due to another endgame mistake, but i played a very beautiful tesuji sequence that was very memorable. It helped me overturn a 30 point deficit into a 6 point lead (just before i blew it in the endgame). This was just about the only bright spot of my go today.
KGS Ratings wise, I am about 2/5 of the the way there to 8kyu. Hopefully I can hit it soon.
The 1st ranked game, I was simply outplayed. I didn't attack correctly, etc. Attached is a review of the game I did with my friend hikky. I learned quite a bit from it.
The 2nd game, was absolute garbage on my part. I managed to kill a corner in the beginning and started well. Then in the middle game, I was about to kill another group of his - but made a critical mistake by atari-ing from the wrong side... and I lost my cool. I made just about every endgame mistake possible and resulted in almost all my groups dying. It was pathetic. It may have been the worst game of go i think i've ever played - considering I played possibly my best/memorable game just a few days ago, this is really disappointing...
The 3rd game, I lost, due to another endgame mistake, but i played a very beautiful tesuji sequence that was very memorable. It helped me overturn a 30 point deficit into a 6 point lead (just before i blew it in the endgame). This was just about the only bright spot of my go today.
KGS Ratings wise, I am about 2/5 of the the way there to 8kyu. Hopefully I can hit it soon.
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Re: Path to 9Dan, step by step.
hl782 wrote:The 1st ranked game, I was simply outplayed. I didn't attack correctly, etc.
Actually, "engineering problems", I would say. You can clearly play the game.
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I have been so busy with work these days from 9-3 and then out tutoring from 4-8 I've hardly had time to work on my go for the past few days but I've just solved 50 problem a night before going to bed. Maybe its a good break since i was thrashed just a couple days ago. I am still aiming to hit 8kyu by the end of the summer.
this may sound a bit with rank obsession but how does KGS' rank system work? It seems that a defeat affects your ratings a hella lot more than a victory does...
In the meantime, I thought I needed to focus more joseki/jeongsuk - particularly because i kept on getting killed by anyone that played the 3-4point instead of the starpoint. I couldn't find good English books for Joseki - one that contained the essentials, had reasons for each move, variations, and was recent and up to date. The closest I found was 38 Basic Joseki but it was outdated. So instead, I bought 3 korean books - each volumes from the Cho Hun Hyun Baduk Series. One book on Star Points (11 joseki), 3-4 point (11 joseki), and new millennium joseki (contains 15 modern joseki).
this may sound a bit with rank obsession but how does KGS' rank system work? It seems that a defeat affects your ratings a hella lot more than a victory does...
In the meantime, I thought I needed to focus more joseki/jeongsuk - particularly because i kept on getting killed by anyone that played the 3-4point instead of the starpoint. I couldn't find good English books for Joseki - one that contained the essentials, had reasons for each move, variations, and was recent and up to date. The closest I found was 38 Basic Joseki but it was outdated. So instead, I bought 3 korean books - each volumes from the Cho Hun Hyun Baduk Series. One book on Star Points (11 joseki), 3-4 point (11 joseki), and new millennium joseki (contains 15 modern joseki).
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Re: Path to 9Dan, step by step.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sXaUNluIpU Nick Sibicky may help if you look for most used josekis.
hl782 wrote:I have been so busy with work these days from 9-3 and then out tutoring from 4-8 I've hardly had time to work on my go for the past few days but I've just solved 50 problem a night before going to bed. Maybe its a good break since i was thrashed just a couple days ago. I am still aiming to hit 8kyu by the end of the summer.
this may sound a bit with rank obsession but how does KGS' rank system work? It seems that a defeat affects your ratings a hella lot more than a victory does...
In the meantime, I thought I needed to focus more joseki/jeongsuk - particularly because i kept on getting killed by anyone that played the 3-4point instead of the starpoint. I couldn't find good English books for Joseki - one that contained the essentials, had reasons for each move, variations, and was recent and up to date. The closest I found was 38 Basic Joseki but it was outdated. So instead, I bought 3 korean books - each volumes from the Cho Hun Hyun Baduk Series. One book on Star Points (11 joseki), 3-4 point (11 joseki), and new millennium joseki (contains 15 modern joseki).
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Re: Path to 9Dan, step by step.
Or, ignore learning joseki except when it comes up in a game. During your game review, take a look at josekipedia, which has plenty of variations along with comments which moves are good.
From there, you can try to read it out, but at this point at your (our) level, I'd recommend skipping learning too much about joseki, get the basics (during game reviews), and focus on other elements of your playstyle.
From there, you can try to read it out, but at this point at your (our) level, I'd recommend skipping learning too much about joseki, get the basics (during game reviews), and focus on other elements of your playstyle.
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Re: Path to 9Dan, step by step.
sparky314 wrote:Or, ignore learning joseki except when it comes up in a game. During your game review, take a look at josekipedia, which has plenty of variations along with comments which moves are good.
From there, you can try to read it out, but at this point at your (our) level, I'd recommend skipping learning too much about joseki, get the basics (during game reviews), and focus on other elements of your playstyle.
I can't agree with this. I think joseki is there for a reason. Blatantly memorizing does no good but trying to understand the course of moves, why each was played etc. contains the most go theory/fundamental basis. Plus it teaches overplays, how to punish, etc etc. I'm going to make the most use of my books.