Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:37 am

@teamwhite

Yeah, I usually choose the parallel corner so if B plays :b3:

you can choose :w4:

for example.

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So I guess that would be my vote.

andreyl · Post by **andreyl** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:14 am

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TegaiS · Post by **TegaiS** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:27 am

@Everyone
Have a nice game.
@Black

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:36 am

@Black team:

It's the opening, so we have many choices. So I'm not opposed to Q4. Though, in my own games these days, I feel like Q4 is boring. I don't know why.

My personal preference is to play this 3-4 move.

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I can't say I feel that strongly about my preference this early in the game, though :-)

Thoughts?

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:27 am

@CAPS:

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:48 am

@BLACK:
A question about timing: Should we try to have a certain time that we discuss this? As the game gets more complicated, we may require a dozen or more messages between us. If such messages are randomly posted throughout the day, we might take a week or more to reach an agreement. And that seems unkind to our opponents and boring for the spectators.

However, if we all are expecting a certain time, we could have the entire dozen messages posted in an hour, or at worst, within a day.

I notice that you both played in the past hour or two. Is this a good time, or are you on an unusual schedule because it is a national holiday? ( And, TegalS, are you really in the Siberian steppe? )

@White:
I recommend that you have a similar discussion among yourselves. The ideal result of such parallel discusions would be one team agreeing to talk during one time period, and the other during a different period, so that the net result is that each team makes at least one move every day.

BTW:I'm assuming that regular play is a goal for all of us. Experience has shown that the bane of multi-player malkovich games is players leaving after a the game stretches further than they expected.

TegaiS · Post by **TegaiS** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:15 am

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@Black

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:32 am

Joaz Banbeck wrote:@BLACK:
A question about timing: Should we try to have a certain time that we discuss this? As the game gets more complicated, we may require a dozen or more messages between us.

Right now is about 10:30am Pacific time, and TegaiS just made a move. So maybe we can assume that around this time is a good time for making moves. I propose to allowing discussion throughout the day, but let's try to make a move at least every day at 10:30am Pacific time (around right now).

So if you feel strongly about a discussion, it would be good to be active in discussing the hour before that time. If there are easy moves, or moves that we come to a consensus on at different times in the day, let's just make the moves when we want to. But let's try to stick to at least making a move around 10:30am Pacific time.

That being said, if we haven't come to a consensus by this time, let's try to at least have discussion by 10:30am Pacific time, so that we can keep progressing toward finding a good move.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:34 am

Let's try to keep this schedule Monday through Friday. On Saturday and Sunday, I don't know when I'll respond.

skydyr · Post by **skydyr** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:36 am

@white

andreyl · Post by **andreyl** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:59 am

@White

I am also not a fan of direct approaching in this situation,I prefer to play at d3 or d4.
I would rather not play at C4,I would like to avoid giving black this position(or lower approach)

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TegaiS · Post by **TegaiS** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:00 pm

@Black
To speed up a little we can discuss the possible moves even when it is the opponents turn. For example

@Joaz
The game is in the Malkovich subforum therefore we can assume that possible observers are probably more interested in the comments than in the actual moves. And I indeed live in Siberia so my morning is probably your evening and vice versa.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:05 pm

Kirby wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:@BLACK:
A question about timing: Should we try to have a certain time that we discuss this? As the game gets more complicated, we may require a dozen or more messages between us.

Right now is about 10:30am Pacific time, and TegaiS just made a move. So maybe we can assume that around this time is a good time for making moves. I propose to allowing discussion throughout the day, but let's try to make a move at least every day at 10:30am Pacific time (around right now).

So if you feel strongly about a discussion, it would be good to be active in discussing the hour before that time. If there are easy moves, or moves that we come to a consensus on at different times in the day, let's just make the moves when we want to. But let's try to stick to at least making a move around 10:30am Pacific time.

That being said, if we haven't come to a consensus by this time, let's try to at least have discussion by 10:30am Pacific time, so that we can keep progressing toward finding a good move.

I'm usually up between 6:00AM and 8:00 AM PST every weekday,and online within an hour after that. Usually by 10:30, I'm hip-deep in the day's work, or out running errands, so your suggestion generally looks OK for me. I could happily go for a hour earlier, too.

@TegaiS? Any thoughts on this? Can you play late every evening?

@Kirby: Our 10:30AM is TegaiS's 2:30 AM. That could be a problem.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:10 pm

@Kirby: Are you still in Michigan? Or did you end up on the west coast?

BTW, I suggest that we start using GMT before we confuse ourselves.

IOW, I usually get up between 2:00 PM GMT and 4:00 PM GMT every weekday,and online within an hour after that. Usually by 6:30 PM GMT, I'm hip-deep in the day's work, or out running errands, so your suggestion generally looks OK for me. I could happily go for a hour earlier, too.

Joaz Banbeck wrote:...
@TegaiS? Any thoughts on this? Can you play late every evening?...

Oh, I see that you posted around 3:00AM your time. I guess you can.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:39 pm

@Black:

TegaiS wrote:...A boring game is not an option!

I think that this eliminates the low Chinese.

Besides that, I usually play high if I play Chinese.

Also, I'm comfortable with the Kobayashi. I could go for the traditional at 'b', or with the tighter 'a', which may take all three of the white players out of their book.

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The black play at 'a' tends to lead white to overplay in the lower right corner, often leaving him with long term weak groups.

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