Will u lose interest in GO if AI is better than people?

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Re: Will u lose interest in GO if AI is better than people?

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goTony wrote:Data, Spock was a terrible Chess player, he could do advanced calculations in his head, tell time. But could not see a mate in a couple of moves.


Data can read a little bit further but he still cannot beat counselor Troi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaMf4cb-tAc
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Re: Will u lose interest in GO if AI is better than people?

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Hylomorphic wrote:If there were to be a Go program at the level of Lee Seedol, I would be ecstatic. Can you imagine how fast you would improve playing against a professional level AI? Are the very least, you could get some bad habits hammered out of you pretty quickly.

Not sure if anybody got stronger in chess because of strong programs. Sure we have better openings but that just might be it. Maybe it is different in go as you can do go further without calculating.
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Re: Will u lose interest in GO if AI is better than people?

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Being a technology loving software developer, I knew that the day when machines would overtake humans in Go would come.

Now that it seems to have arrived, I feel deeply sad about it. And it somehow adds to the frustration, that not too many seem to join me with that emotion.

Will it take away some of my fascination for the game? I will have to wait and see, but I do think so.
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Re: Will u lose interest in GO if AI is better than people?

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I've heard that many professionals aswell as amateurs, rather than feeling threatened by Alphago's development, they feel excited at the prospect of Alphago discovering new and interesting variations and ways of playing the game. The prospect of computer-discovered joseki isn't far-fetched given Alphago's current level and potential future level.

Go is an eastern game, and although logic and calculation play a significant part, Go can also reflect our human nature and it also embodies and exemplifies interesting philosophical concepts of self-development. I think the attitude of Go players is going to differ greatly from Chess players with regards to Ai. Or perhaps I should say eastern Go players? I don't know. I think if you play it long enough and study hard enough, you eventually change some part of yourself in the process of becoming better at Go. Sometimes you have to pace yourself, defending before attacking, other times jealousy and greed hold you back. Dealing with yourself is a pathway to becoming stronger in Go, and focusing on eliminating a certain bad aspect of your Go, such as jealously invading every opponent territory before making your own, is not just becoming stronger at Go. It can subtly change your outlook on life over time, so that you develop as a human being, not just as a go player. I don't play alot of chess so I can't say for sure, but I don't think chess has nearly the same depth of personal human involvement/development and I don't think chess can reflect aspects of an individual the way Go seems to be able to do.

That may go some way towards explaining why some strong go players don't feel threatened by the prospect of an AI being the strongest player in the world. The human Go players want to learn and get better and they seem to view the AI not as competition, but as a pathway to learn more about Go. It would be interesting to see how strong an Ai can become. How many stones will it be able to give top professionals before it reaches a limit? Will reaching that be where ultimate mastery of the game lies? We don't know. It's like exploring the depths of the sea and the AI being a machine that can potentially dive deeper and see more than we could before, thus giving us more knowledge about this wonderful game that we love.


Also, this is no longer a hypothetical question. Alphago is probably better than almost anybody on these forums and yet we still want to improve and learn, don't we?

I won't lose interest. In-fact, my interest will probably increase if such an AI becomes available commercially, since I could then have a perfect study partner to learn from and analyze games with. It would usher in a completely new and different age of Go, and future pro go players would probably take a leap and become even stronger than the current top players. Many interesting speculations abound. I don't feel sad, I feel excited at what the future might bring :)
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Re: Will u lose interest in GO if AI is better than people?

Post by pookpooi »

I'll give a credit to the earlier AI that breakthrough many barriers, it changes people's skeptical from 'Can it do?' to 'When?'
Because the AI prove to be helpful to people rather than compete with them (this is the part where IBM's publicity stunt in DeepBlue failed, they fixed it in Watson though), like people will cheer google driverless cars to win at the formula one race, because it means that they can buy a driverless car that is also number one in the world in driving, better than any human driver (I really don't know about F-1, I just make an example)
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