Little help with this game.

[Joelnelsonb]

Comments within the sgf.

http://lifein19x19.com/forum/download/file.php?id=6672

[Unusedname]

My thoughts.

https://online-go.com/review/97782
It keeps adding deleted comments when I try to link it as sgf.

makes sense
Idk if I agree.
Might be some shape issues. The bamboo joint threatens to surround the corner or take the base of the two white stones.
Agree this looks great for black.
forces white to strengthen himself without really strengthening black. Jumping out threatens surrounding either the corner or capping the white group.
You can see the 3-3 invasion really hurt the black group at G3
I think this move is small. All the white groups here are alive. There are a lot of big points left to take. Enclosure. Or star point on the top.
Maybe hane on top first. The two stones aren't very important because the white groups are alive and connected.
Compare in game with R15 at

It looks like black is searching for forcing moves which is good because sente is nice. But not all forcing moves are good. For example your variation at is a forcing move (atari) but it gains nothing for black. All it does is lose a liberty. So it's not very good.

Instead of directly forcing white with moves like I think black can start looking for moves like jumping out at It indirectly forces white because it threatens two sides.

[Bill Spight]

Happy New Year!

(;FF[4]CA[ISO8859-1]SZ[19]ST[0]GM[1]AP[GOWrite:2.3.46]VW[]RU[chinese]DT[2016-01-01]PC[OGS\: http\://online-go.com/game/review/97777]RE[W+2.5]BR[9k]PW[catmeme]WR[8k]CP[online-go.com]PB[Saint Ravitt]FG[259:]PM[2]HA[0]GN[ ]KM[7.5]
;C[My opponent is a stone stronger than me and so I went into this game with the plan of playing a little more aggressively than normal in hopes that I would be underestimated.]B[pd]
;W[pp]
;B[cd]
;W[dp]
;C[I rarely see this but instead continually see the approach at R6. Both look playable to me, however, I prefer more fighting and less moyo-racing and therefore prefer the splitting approach.]B[nq]
;C[Don't see this too often, not very familiar with this sort of joseki so I shot from the hip\: get a little strength and than approach at F3 hoping to be pincered and then counter attack.]W[or]
;B[oq]
;W[pq]
;B[nr]
;C[This move, I did not expect. I find it horribly slow but nonetheless, it does make my three stones have to think about surviving and therefore I no longer prefer a pincer on my approach move which is why I go with the large knights move. Also, I find making a base at L3 to be too slow/small given my original objective for the entire game.]W[pr]
;B[gq]
;C[White wants to make me heavy? Sounds good. Heavy = strong and I'm not scared about getting out of there.]W[lq]
;B[no]
;W[mp]
;B[on]
(
;C[See variation.]W[pm]
;B[pn]
;W[qn]
;B[qm]
;W[qo]
;C[I feel like I'm doing just fine after this move.]B[pl]
;W[iq]
;B[hp]
;W[ip]
;B[gn]
;W[dn]
;C[This may seem a little early but with my 3 outside stones, white has hardly any potential with an outward facing wall. My bigger concern was that after letting white connect underneath (which he certainly will), I no longer have any pressure on his middle group and am therefore left with a heavy group that isn't doing much.]B[cq]
;W[dq]
;B[dr]
;W[er]
;B[cr]
;W[fq]
;C[Looking back, I believe B5 would have been more accurate.]B[co]
;W[cp]
;B[bp]
;W[bo]
;B[bq]
;W[cn]
(
;C[Hey, it works...

*** No, it doesn't. See variation. The go to move 194.]B[as]
(
;W[gr]
;C[Blocking the cut with the ladder.]B[mo]
;W[in]
;B[hn]
;W[ho]
;B[go]
;W[io]
;B[gl]
;W[ed]
;B[ec]
;W[fc]
;B[dc]
;W[fd]
;B[cf]
;C[And here lies the game changer, I seemed too have dozed off for a moment and remained unaware that my ladder is now lost.]W[jc]
;C[I realize my mistake the moment my move is made.]B[nc]
;W[om]
;B[nm]
;W[ol]
;B[nl]
;W[ok]
;C[Nice eye saving tesuji for a heavy group.]B[im]
;W[jm]
;B[il]
;W[jl]
;B[nk]
;W[oj]
;B[nj]
;W[oi]
;C[Dual threat\: invade my corner or confirm the kill on my two stones.]B[qg]
;W[qh]
;B[pg]
;W[ph]
;B[qc]
;W[dk]
;B[hi]
;W[fm]
;B[ci]
;W[cj]
;B[di]
;C[This looks like a weak contact play to me, however, I found that I was unable to punish it.]W[mc]
;B[md]
;W[mb]
;B[nb]
;W[og]
;B[ni]
;W[nh]
;B[li]
;C[I'd love to save that stone directly, however, I must do something large and quick before falling any further behind.]W[oe]
;B[jk]
;W[pf]
;B[qf]
;W[pe]
;B[qe]
;W[nd]
;B[od]
;W[ne]
;B[nf]
;W[mf]
;B[me]
;W[of]
;B[lf]
;W[mg]
;B[lg]
;W[kd]
;B[mh]
;W[ng]
;B[ke]
;W[na]
;B[ob]
;W[oa]
;B[pa]
;W[ma]
;B[pb]
;C[I believe that F14 was the winning move. This however is going to die a slow painful death if it's the last thing I do.]W[fg]
;B[ff]
;W[gf]
;B[ef]
;W[gg]
;B[ge]
;W[fe]
;B[he]
;W[hc]
;B[hf]
;W[fi]
;B[ej]
;W[dg]
;B[df]
;W[fj]
;B[fk]
;W[hj]
;B[ij]
;W[kh]
;B[lh]
;W[ek]
;B[cg]
;W[gk]
;B[fl]
;W[ii]
;B[hk]
;W[gj]
;B[ji]
;W[ih]
;B[hg]
;W[ei]
;B[dj]
;W[hh]
;B[eh]
;W[fh]
;B[gi]
;W[ie]
;B[if]
;W[jf]
;B[je]
;W[id]
;B[jg]
;W[hq]
;B[gp]
;W[ck]
;B[el]
;W[dl]
;C[After taking this stone, I believe the game is about even IF I can get to my monkey jump off of O2.]B[em]
;W[bi]
;B[ch]
;W[bh]
;B[bg]
;W[lo]
;B[fb]
;W[gb]
;B[ln]
;W[kn]
;B[lm]
;W[kl]
;B[kk]
;W[ll]
;B[rh]
;W[ri]
;B[lk]
;W[rg]
;B[rf]
;W[sh]
;B[en]
;W[eo]
;C[Tie game if I'm not mistaken.]B[ks]
;W[kr]
;B[ls]
;W[js]
;B[ms]
;W[eb]
;B[db]
;W[fa]
;B[ao]
;W[bn]
;B[an]
(
;C[*** See variation.]W[am]
;B[ap]
;W[cm]
;C[I regretting leaving a ko threat here.]B[br]
;W[rd]
;B[qd]
;W[sf]
;B[se]
;W[sg]
;B[re]
;W[da]
;C[Somehow I knew he would atari and go to ko but I welcomed it at this point after a brief threat count in which I was leading.]B[ca]
;W[cb]
;B[ea]
;W[eg]
;B[dh]
;W[da]
;B[lc]
;W[ld]
;B[le]
;W[lb]
;B[ea]
;W[ds]
;B[cs]
;W[da]
;B[kb]
;W[kc]
;B[ea]
;W[np]
;B[op]
;W[da]
;B[la]
;W[ka]
;B[ea]
;W[po]
;B[oo]
;W[da]
;B[bj]
;W[aj]
;B[ea]
;W[hl]
;B[gh]
;W[da]
;B[bk]
;W[bl]
;B[ea]
;W[fb]
;B[da]
;W[ml]
;B[mk]
;W[mm]
;B[mn]
;W[es]
;B[mq]
;W[lp]
;B[fo]
;W[fp]
;B[os]
;W[ps]
;B[ns]
;W[de]
;B[dd]
;W[ee]
;B[ce]
;W[gd]
;C[requiring a response to M2 in hopes that I pull it out on the last dame.]B[jr]
;W[is]
;B[lr]
;W[kq]
;B[km]
;W[jn]
;B[dm]
;W[ak]
;B[ah]
;W[ai]
;B[ag]
;W[hd]
;B[jd]
;W[tt]
;C[Ultimately, missing that ladder breaker at black 55 ended up being huge. Losing those stones, my wall and giving up the entire right side all made things very difficult. Blunders suck.]B[tt]
)
(
;W[ap]
(
;B[aq]
;W[ds]
;B[cs]
;W[br]
)
(
;B[ds]
;W[bs]
(
;B[aq]
;W[br]
)
(
;B[br]
;W[aq]
;B[ar]
;W[ap]
)

)

(
;B[br]
;W[aq]
;B[ar]
;W[ap]
)

(
;B[bs]
;W[ds]
)

)

)
(
;W[oo]
;B[op]
;W[po]
;B[np]
;W[nn]
;B[om]
;W[mn]
)

)
(
;B[ar]
;W[ap]
;B[bs]
)

)
(
;W[oo]
;B[op]
;W[po]
;B[np]
;W[nn]
;B[mn]
;W[nm]
;B[mo]
;W[mm]
;C[I was expecting something more like this.]B[kn]
)

)

[sliderser]

Is black in the down-left conner can be killed?

[EdLee]

Hi sliderser, see Bill's notes and variations at , and 194.

[schawipp]

I added a variation on move for discussion. What do you think about that variation?

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]
PW[catmeme]PB[Saint Ravitt]WR[8k]BR[9k]DT[2016-01-01]CP[online-go.com]PC[OGS: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://online-go.com/game/review/97777">http://online-go.com/game/review/97777</a><!-- m -->]RE[W+2.50]VW[]
;B[pd]C[My opponent is a stone stronger than me and so I went into this game with the plan of playing a little more aggressively than normal in hopes that I would be underestimated.]
;W[pp]
;B[cd]
;W[dp]
;B[nq]C[I rarely see this but instead continually see the approach at R6. Both look playable to me, however, I prefer more fighting and less moyo-racing and therefore prefer the splitting approach.]
;W[or]C[Don't see this too often, not very familiar with this sort of joseki so I shot from the hip: get a little strength and than approach at F3 hoping to be pincered and then counter attack.]
;B[oq]
;W[pq]
;B[nr]
;W[pr]C[This move, I did not expect. I find it horribly slow but nonetheless, it does make my three stones have to think about surviving and therefore I no longer prefer a pincer on my approach move which is why I go with the large knights move. Also, I find making a base at L3 to be too slow/small given my original objective for the entire game.]
;B[gq]
;W[lq]C[White wants to make me heavy? Sounds good. Heavy = strong and I'm not scared about getting out of there.]
;B[no]
;W[mp]
;B[on]LB[pm:A][oo:B]
(;W[pm]C[See variation.]
;B[pn]
;W[qn]
;B[qm]
;W[qo]
;B[pl]C[I feel like I'm doing just fine after this move.]
(;W[iq]
;B[hp]
;W[ip]
;B[gn]
;W[dn]
;B[cq]C[This may seem a little early but with my 3 outside stones, white has hardly any potential with an outward facing wall. My bigger concern was that after letting white connect underneath (which he certainly will), I no longer have any pressure on his middle group and am therefore left with a heavy group that isn't doing much.]
;W[dq]
;B[dr]
;W[er]
;B[cr]
;W[fq]
;B[co]C[Looking back, I believe B5 would have been more accurate.]
;W[cp]
;B[bp]
;W[bo]
;B[bq]
;W[cn]
;B[as]LB[oo:B][gr:A]C[Hey, it works...]
(;W[gr]
;B[mo]C[Blocking the cut with the ladder.]
;W[in]
;B[hn]
;W[ho]
;B[go]
;W[io]
;B[gl]
;W[ed]
;B[ec]
;W[fc]
;B[dc]
;W[fd]
;B[cf]
;W[jc]C[And here lies the game changer, I seemed too have dozed off for a moment and remained unaware that my ladder is now lost.]
;B[nc]C[I realize my mistake the moment my move is made.]
;W[om]
;B[nm]
;W[ol]
;B[nl]
;W[ok]
;B[im]C[Nice eye saving tesuji for a heavy group.]
;W[jm]
;B[il]
;W[jl]
;B[nk]
;W[oj]
;B[nj]
;W[oi]
;B[qg]C[Dual threat: invade my corner or confirm the kill on my two stones.]
;W[qh]
;B[pg]
;W[ph]
;B[qc]
;W[dk]
;B[hi]
;W[fm]
;B[ci]
;W[cj]
;B[di]
;W[mc]C[This looks like a weak contact play to me, however, I found that I was unable to punish it.]
;B[md]
;W[mb]
;B[nb]
;W[og]
;B[ni]
;W[nh]
;B[li]
;W[oe]C[I'd love to save that stone directly, however, I must do something large and quick before falling any further behind.]
;B[jk]
;W[pf]
;B[qf]
;W[pe]
;B[qe]
;W[nd]
;B[od]
;W[ne]
;B[nf]
;W[mf]
;B[me]
;W[of]
;B[lf]
;W[mg]
;B[lg]
;W[kd]
;B[mh]
;W[ng]
;B[ke]
;W[na]
;B[ob]
;W[oa]
;B[pa]
;W[ma]
;B[pb]
;W[fg]C[I believe that F14 was the winning move. This however is going to die a slow painful death if it's the last thing I do.]
;B[ff]
;W[gf]
;B[ef]
;W[gg]
;B[ge]
;W[fe]
;B[he]
;W[hc]
;B[hf]
;W[fi]
;B[ej]
;W[dg]
;B[df]
;W[fj]
;B[fk]
;W[hj]
;B[ij]
;W[kh]
;B[lh]
;W[ek]
;B[cg]
;W[gk]
;B[fl]
;W[ii]
;B[hk]
;W[gj]
;B[ji]
;W[ih]
;B[hg]
;W[ei]
;B[dj]
;W[hh]
;B[eh]
;W[fh]
;B[gi]
;W[ie]
;B[if]
;W[jf]
;B[je]
;W[id]
;B[jg]
;W[hq]
;B[gp]
;W[ck]
;B[el]
;W[dl]
;B[em]C[After taking this stone, I believe the game is about even IF I can get to my monkey jump off of O2.]
;W[bi]
;B[ch]
;W[bh]
;B[bg]
;W[lo]
;B[fb]
;W[gb]
;B[ln]
;W[kn]
;B[lm]
;W[kl]
;B[kk]
;W[ll]
;B[rh]
;W[ri]
;B[lk]
;W[rg]
;B[rf]
;W[sh]
;B[en]
;W[eo]
;B[ks]C[Tie game if I'm not mistaken.]
;W[kr]
;B[ls]
;W[js]
;B[ms]
;W[eb]
;B[db]
;W[fa]
;B[ao]
;W[bn]
;B[an]
;W[am]
;B[ap]
;W[cm]
;B[br]C[I regretting leaving a ko threat here.]
;W[rd]
;B[qd]
;W[sf]
;B[se]
;W[sg]
;B[re]
;W[da]
;B[ca]C[Somehow I knew he would atari and go to ko but I welcomed it at this point after a brief threat count in which I was leading.]
;W[cb]
;B[ea]
;W[eg]
;B[dh]
;W[da]
;B[lc]
;W[ld]
;B[le]
;W[lb]
;B[ea]
;W[ds]
;B[cs]
;W[da]
;B[kb]
;W[kc]
;B[ea]
;W[np]
;B[op]
;W[da]
;B[la]
;W[ka]
;B[ea]
;W[po]
;B[oo]
;W[da]
;B[bj]
;W[aj]
;B[ea]
;W[hl]
;B[gh]
;W[da]
;B[bk]
;W[bl]
;B[ea]
;W[fb]
;B[da]
;W[ml]
;B[mk]
;W[mm]
;B[mn]
;W[es]
;B[mq]
;W[lp]
;B[fo]
;W[fp]
;B[os]
;W[ps]
;B[ns]
;W[de]
;B[dd]
;W[ee]
;B[ce]
;W[gd]
;B[jr]C[requiring a response to M2 in hopes that I pull it out on the last dame.]
;W[is]
;B[lr]
;W[kq]
;B[km]
;W[jn]
;B[dm]
;W[ak]
;B[ah]
;W[ai]
;B[ag]
;W[hd]
;B[jd]
;W[]
;B[]C[Ultimately, missing that ladder breaker at black 55 ended up being huge. Losing those stones, my wall and giving up the entire right side all made things very difficult. Blunders suck.])
(;W[oo]
;B[op]
;W[po]
;B[np]
;W[nn]
;B[om]
;W[mn]))
(;W[oo]C[what if w tries to exploit the weakness of the connection?]
(;B[om]
;W[np]C[no good result fow b])
(;B[op]
;W[nn]
(;B[po]
;W[om]
;B[oo]
(;W[mn]
;B[mo]
;W[lo]C[this does not work well, see following]
;B[nm]
;W[ol]
;B[mm]
(;W[ln]
;B[ok]
;W[nl]
;B[ml]C[ladder!])
(;W[ql]C[of course w can sacrify N6 and take the border]))
(;W[mm]C[what about this move? black can come out via n5-n6 etc and white can cut at r8. Looks complicated and I'm not sure which side to prefer.]))
(;B[om]
;W[po]
;B[np]
;W[mo]C[black is shut in]))
(;B[np]
;W[nn]
(;B[om]
;W[mo]C[black is shut in])
(;B[mo]
;W[om]C[I'm not completely sure but think white got more of it.])
(;B[mn]C[illuck's suggestion]
;W[nm]
;B[om]
;W[mo]C[can black capture N6,N7?]
(;B[ml]
;W[mm]
;B[lm]
;W[ln]C[net/squeeze does not work here])
(;B[nl]
;W[mm]C[neither the ladder is fully convincing]
;B[ln]
(;W[ml]C[this does not look good for w]
;B[mk]
;W[nk]
;B[ll]
;W[ol]
;B[lm]
;W[nl]
;B[nj]C[oops!])
(;W[lm]C[w has to go this way]
;B[kn]C[and b obviously needs to stretch further]
;W[km]
;B[lr]
;W[kr]
;B[kq]
;W[kp]
;B[jq]
;W[mr]
;B[mq]
;W[ls]
;B[lp]
;W[lo]
;B[ko]
;W[lp]
;B[jp]
;W[lr]
;B[jr]
;W[op]C[did I miss anything?]))
(;B[mm]
;W[nl]
;B[ml]
;W[nk]
;B[lr]
;W[kr]
(;B[kq]
;W[kp]
;B[jq]
;W[mr])
(;B[mr]
;W[kp]))
(;B[ln]
;W[nl]C[here its 4 : 4 liberties, so black has either to attach or do something with the bottom]
;B[lr]
;W[kr]
(;B[lp]
;W[mq]
;B[kq]
;W[mr]
;B[ms]
;W[ls])
(;B[mq]
;W[kp]
;B[lp]
;W[lo]
;B[ko]
;W[lp]
;B[jp]
;W[kq]
;B[jq]
;W[ls]
(;B[jr]
;W[mr]C[w wins])
(;B[mr]
;W[kn]
;B[jo]
;W[lm]))
(;B[kq]
;W[kp]
;B[jq]
;W[mr]
;B[lp]
;W[lo]
;B[mq]
;W[ls]
;B[ko]
;W[lp]
;B[jp]
;W[lr]
;B[jr]
;W[ns]))))))
(;W[oo]
;B[op]
;W[po]
;B[np]
;W[nn]
;B[mn]
;W[nm]
;B[mo]
;W[mm]
;B[kn]C[I was expecting something more like this.]))

[illluck]

I added a variation on move for discussion. What do you think about that variation?

Doesn't quite work, I think. Black connect at O4 and then if white cuts at O6 black can atari at N6 and then capture the Q7 stone.

[schawipp]

Doesn't quite work, I think. Black connect at O4 and then if white cuts at O6 black can atari at N6 and then capture the Q7 stone.

I edited your suggestion together with some followups in my above posting, but I'm not yet fully convinced. After white blocks at N5 I cannot see a clear way for black how to capture O6,O7.