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Post #21 Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:10 pm 
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Who is the China representative at number 53 who lost in the first two rounds? A fill-in to complete the table to avoid byes?

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Post #22 Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:43 pm 
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gowan wrote:
Who is the China representative at number 53 who lost in the first two rounds? A fill-in to complete the table to avoid byes?


Undoubtably, yes.

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Post #23 Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:41 am 
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gowan wrote:
Who is the China representative at number 53 who lost in the first two rounds? A fill-in to complete the table to avoid byes?


Undoubtably, yes.


Filling in for the missing Denmark player. Officially 1d, but apparently a bit weaker than that, according to his first round opponent.

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Post #24 Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:19 am 
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The Malagasy player didn't show up either so there are an odd number of players including the 1d (female) Chinese ghost, but they've left them both in the draw so whoever is drawn against Madagascar gets no game and a free win. Unfortunately I forfeited my 3rd game because I overslept and was too late: a result of jetlag, a not working alarm and cicadas/frogs making a racket until 5am (the Singaporean player was also disturbed by them but made his game, though lost both today). Santiago (the Colombian player I forfeited to) and I hope to play a friendly game soon. I've arranged a hotel wake up call for tomorrow, but the animals are serenading me as I write this, so I don't know how much sleep I'll manage to get.

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Post #25 Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:23 am 
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It's frogs, I went on a 2am frog hunt. They shut up when I shone light on them but resumed afterwards.

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Post #26 Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:02 pm 
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Try thinking about the Brexit

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Post #27 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 6:23 am 
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China wins (8-0), Korea takes second (7-1), Taiwan, Ukraine, Japan, Hungary, Serbia and Romania follow at 6-2 (Taiwan beat Japan, Ukraine and Serbia and had the highest SOS).

Uberdude goes 5-3.

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Post #28 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:14 pm 
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I saw most of the games on WBaduk. And the chinese player was fairly over the level of all the others players. Only the japanese player was able to go all the way in a game, and even in that game, the chinese guy was still in control.

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Post #29 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:42 pm 
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There are some interesting interviews and stories from the players:

http://www.ranka.intergofed.org/


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Post #30 Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:22 am 
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My result was rather strange: my aim before the tournament was to do better than recent UK representatives, notably Andrew Kay's 4 wins and 24/56 in 2013 (Matthew Macfadyen 6d and Bei Ge 5d got 5 wins and 21/68 and 16/68 in 2008 and 2007 respectively). I achieved this with 5 wins and 21/56 but it didn't really feel deserved given the weak opponents I beat: I only beat 1 player stronger than 1 dan. My SOS was absolutely awful at 52 which was lower than any player on 4 wins (the highest 4 wins SOS was 78, and highest 3 wins was 68). My results by round were 6d-, 1k(but more like 10k)+, 4d-(forfeit, I won our friendly rematch), 1d+, 3d-, 5k+, 1d+, 5d+. So no not easily predicted results except the forfeit and then losing to a 3d (I was in control and leading until a careless move in byo yomi, but credit to Jürgen for playing a nice wedge of a one point jump which gave me an opportunity to screw up) and beating a 5d (my first and only good win of the tournament in the final round). Compare this to the 4 wins and 23/56 of the 5d Singaporean player whose results were 6d+, 6d+, 4d-, 6d-, 1d+, 3d+, 6d-, 5d-. I think those results deserve to finish above me!

If people are interested I could post my game records and some photos once I am back home with a computer.


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Post #31 Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:57 am 
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And I'm not sure China (Bai) was much stronger than Korea (Kim): they reviewed for a long time and it seemed they both had chances, Kim was pretty rueful about his overly passive play when he thought he was ahead (though I don't know if Bai agreed with that judgement).

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Post #32 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:09 am 
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The results are now available in the nice formating of the European Go Database. http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/To ... n=14337147
As my forfeit loss was rated (aren't they normally unrated?) I actually lost rating which reflects my strange weak yet 5 wins result.


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Post #33 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:47 am 
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Their is no fixed convention for loss by forfeit - maybe the EGF should have agreed upon one by now.

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Post #34 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:44 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
My result was rather strange: my aim before the tournament was to do better than recent UK representatives, notably Andrew Kay's 4 wins and 24/56 in 2013 (Matthew Macfadyen 6d and Bei Ge 5d got 5 wins and 21/68 and 16/68 in 2008 and 2007 respectively). I achieved this with 5 wins and 21/56 but it didn't really feel deserved given the weak opponents I beat: I only beat 1 player stronger than 1 dan. My SOS was absolutely awful at 52 which was lower than any player on 4 wins (the highest 4 wins SOS was 78, and highest 3 wins was 68).


I suspect the reason is that, like the KPMC, without actually telling anybody they may be running a McMahon tournament setting the players from countries who featured below half-way at a lower start point than the rest (or something like that).

So the UK player next year will have a tougher draw than you did!

Thanks!!!!

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Post #35 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:00 am 
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Well I don't think that they ran a McMahon system this year, much to the despair of some. I think that I read (in Ranka) that the approach taken was just to separate the 4 top seeds, so that they did not meet too early. I think McMahon is only a good choice if you consider the ordering of the top 10 places to be important.

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Post #36 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:07 am 
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It was indeed not a last-years-position-seeded McMahon (I played Csaba 6d from Hungary in round 1 and Hungary came 9th last year) but a "Chinese-style" Swiss as described in the below photo from the tournament brochure. It was rather fortunate that China beat Japan by half a point because if they had a 3-way tie on 7 wins Korea's SOS would have sucked from playing John Gibson 5k from Ireland in the first round. A banded Mc-Mahon as was used at the WAGC last year in Bangkok does sound like a better system to me, as would taking out the 1d Chinese ghost when Madagascar didn't turn up rather than giving 8 players no games and a free win. As it was the likely 2 weakest players (Belarus and India) never played each other and never got to win an actual game, just a default win each against Madagascar.
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Post #37 Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:30 am 
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No one from Finland. I wonder why?

I heard just afterwards, that my name had been missing from the web page, although it was there just before the tournament. Also, when receiving players at the Pudong airport, my name was not on their list.

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Post #38 Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:03 am 
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Great, the Indian player gets last position again :grumpy:

When I reach dan level :batman:

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Post #39 Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:55 am 
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nukeu666 wrote:
Great, the Indian player gets last position again :grumpy:

When I reach dan level :batman:

Are you Indian? At 8k KGS you aren't much weaker (if at all) than their player this year who was quite a lot weaker than a 1 kyu European. Here's my game with him.



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Post #40 Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:40 am 
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Yup, I'm from India
That game looked pretty one-sided, seems I won't have to aim too high to get significantly better than him
Otoh, can't believe the indian go assoc. couldn't find anyone stronger who could fund their own travel

Are sgf's for all the matches available on ranka or is that only for top rated players?

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